[ExI] Jimmy 'the Greek' Snyder

[William Flynn Wallace]

I am simply not interested enough in it to read a book.  But just a hint or
two about how to deal with crime without police would be a help.  bill w

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:37 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I don't have all the answers here, but personal self-defense and voluntary
> defense associations for those extremely rare occasions when violent
> confrontations happen. Private security already plays a role in current
> US-American society, such as security guards inside shopping malls and the
> like. So I don't see any reason why people can't specialize in security and
> things like detection and apprehension of suspects. What wouldn't exist
> under such a system is a group of people who have special privileges
> because of this specialization. (And self-help wouldn't be outlawed.)
>
> Elsewhere I mentioned Bruce L. Benson's 1990 book _The Enterprise of
> Law: Justice Without the State_. He goes over much of this in far more
> depth than me. Also, market anarchists have been discussing how to deal
> with crime without the state for decades now. This is all part of the
> literature of libertarian thought, no? (What shocks me is meeting people
> who call themselves libertarians who seem unaware of this work. Have you
> heard of Benson's work? That's not his only book. How about George H.
> Smith? Have you read his essay "Justice Entrepreneurship In a Free Market"?
> He wrote on this subject back in 1979!)
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
>    Sample my Kindle books at:
>
> http://author.to/DanUst
>
> On Jun 8, 2020, at 3:21 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> 
> dan wrote - I don't agree with the view that somehow having no police
> around all the thugs will go on a crime spree
>
> Fine.  But even if crime is less there have to be people to deal with it.
> What do you suggest?
>
> bill w
>
>>
>> It seems you believe I'm against people defending themselves and others.
>> Is this so? In fact, I've argued for arming the masses -- not just the
>> US-American masses, but worldwide. This is the correct Left position on
>> this issue. (In fact, traditionally, the Right wants the masses disarmed to
>> prevent them getting uppity. The strange thing is that many modern Leftists
>> seem to want the opposite: disarmed masses and armed elites. To me, this is
>> typically how those in the Left eventually turn to the Right on issues once
>> they have power.)
>>
>> In fact, I'd argue that immigrants and other marginal people need to be
>> armed and defended more so than your average person. For instance,
>> immigrants in the US tend to commit less crime but suffer more crime than
>> non-immigrants. This is so even though, as studies have shown, immigrants
>> tend to under-report crimes committed against them. Ditto for trans people
>> and for 'mentally ill' people.*
>>
>> That said, overall violence is down. I don't agree with the view that
>> somehow having no police around all the thugs will go on a crime spree.
>> That's like a Hollywood movie scenario. Real life, however, almost never
>> looks like that. A case in point is almost any natural disaster. We
>> generally don't see Mad Max: Fury Road playing out, but people usually
>> helping each other. (Yet just about any movie about a natural disaster
>> shows people turning vicious and against each other. Again, look at the
>> real world events and data -- rather than movie or TV narrative.)
>>
>> As for your citing the COTUS, you should note well that the right has
>> been infringed, and that should call into question your seeing the COTUS as
>> some sort of shield against injustice. Either the COTUS authorized those
>> infringements or did nothing to stop them. Or as Lysander Spooner
>> (1808-1887) put it:
>>
>> 'But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much
>> is certain — that it has either authorized such a government as we have
>> had, or has been powerless to prevent it.  In either case it is unfit to
>> exist.'
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> * I'm not the only one calling for this. See Jane Louise's piece from
>> five years ago:
>>
>> https://c4ss.org/content/3966
>>
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