[ExI] Protest

[Dan TheBookMan]

You shifted from what to do with a vandal In a protest situation  like in the video versus everything else. Again, my point was they could handle that particular person without turning him (I’m presuming it was a guy) over to the police. 

And, once more, if you’re protesting police misconduct it seems painfully ironic to not seek another solution. In fact, they were already there: they stopped him from his act of vandalism. Did they need to do more? Maybe. Perhaps they could’ve told him to leave the area while taking away his hammer and other tools. Perhaps they could’ve photographed him and threatened to dox him of he was caught around the area again.

Do you disagree here? You really think it was a great idea to turn him over to the police? You feel there was zero possibility that the police — known for killing people for minor offenses like shoplifting or even just on w whim  — might abuse him?

At least you get points here for not bringing up Saul Alinsky. ;)

Regards,

Dan
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> On Jun 9, 2020, at 2:49 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> Murder, aggravated assault, rape, armed robbery and more - you think you are going to talk them out of it?  Maybe a few cases.  But these crimes need strong police force - but no battery on the criminals, which happens a lot, including at the police station.  
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> Carrying a gun in the UK is a very serious offense I think, so the bobbies are not usually confronted with armed criminals.  I dunno about other places.   bill w
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>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:57 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> On Jun 8, 2020, at 3:31 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> There are other ways to deal with such people rather than turning them over to a group of people who are known to brutalize other people.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> You want to give them a good talking to?  Eh? Urge them to try therapy or positive psychology?
>>>  bill w
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>> Well, first you can stop them from doing the vandalizing. That seems to have happened, no? Some people there stopped him forcibly from whatever it was he was doing. That's part of what I meant. And, yes, talking works too. Or do you think talking never works? How do people, including police in other Western nations, quite frequently de-escalate situations like fights? Usually through talk, no? (How do UK police get along with most of them not carrying guns?)
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>> But it doesn't strike you at all as ironic that when protesting police misconduct, especially if as a protester you believe this is rampant and systemic, that you'd turn anyone over to the police?
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>> (My guess is most people, including many if not most protesters, lack imagination and insight here. This is a terrible sin. The average person gets upset at police misconduct -- though only after decades of such and only after it's finally widely publicized to the point it's impossible to ignore. I don't expect the average person to think of all the ramifications here and that the problem almost certainly won't be solved by a few reforms.)
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>> Regards,
>> 
>> Dan
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