[ExI] Jimmy 'the Greek' Snyder

Wed Jun 10 17:29:16 UTC 2020

Make that a psychiatric social worker. I agree with all of what you wrote.
 bill w

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 12:27 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> If you live in Harlem, policing your own block isn’t such a big deal. You
> know them and they know you.
>
> But I do think a professional “police officer” and a civilian “peace
> officer” doing patrols together would be a really good thing. The type of
> people who do Cop Watch come to mind. Very unlikely to turn off a body cam,
> and very likely to report improprieties.
>
> By switching up the pairs on a semi-regular basis, and allowing anonymous
> reports, I think that would be a good option.
>
> Another option: 1 cop, 1 social worker.
>
> SR Ballard
>
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:52 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> The last thing we need is people who go out and try to be heroes.  And I
> doubt you'd get any volunteers to police Harlem.  You are right about high
> speed chases, but calling ahead and putting down tire destroyers (or
> whatever they are called) does work.  I think that volunteers could easily
> be added to neighborhoods - unarmed, strolling around saying Hi to people
> and getting to know them, wearing a badge but no uniform or other
> equipment.  These volunteers could get to know the criminals, the places
> too easy to rob, and so on.  But I cannot see relying on them alone.
> Maybeyou could put a volunteer together with a cop in a patrol car.
> Sometimes you need two people in the cop car, but they don't have to both
> be cops.  Someone to call 'officer in trouble' would come in handy.
>
> bill w
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 10:31 AM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> I think maniacs driving 120mph are somewhat self limiting. But studies
>> show that high speed chases are the wrong approach.
>>
>>
>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a9096/why-high-speed-police-chases-are-going-away-15532838/
>>
>> Voluntary police can still work IF the areas are made small enough. For
>> example, someone would not want to police all of manhattan. But 4 blocks? I
>> think they’d be willing to.
>>
>> And there’s enough dudes who try to be heroes anyway, so I think “shots
>> fired” would still get responded to.
>>
>> Withe voluntary community policing, crime becomes a personal affront.
>> Whether that’s good or bad is a different story.
>>
>> SR Ballard
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 8:12 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps I missed them because I thought when I read them that they were
>> ludicrous.  Personal defense is a good idea, but most people never get
>> attacked.  Private security would, I assume cost more than what we get with
>> tax dollars and poor people could not afford it.
>>
>> Voluntary police:  I can see this working if a town is not larger than a
>> few hundred.  Numerous problems here, including training, insurance if
>> hurt, and the likelihood that an ordinary citizen would go on a call where
>> shooting is occuring.  I just can't see getting thousands of volunteers in
>> big cities where violent crime is not rare at all but happens many times a
>> day.
>>
>> Just to give one example:  which of the above would deal with maniacs
>> driving 120 mph on city streets?    bill w
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 7:31 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> You must have missed the three examples I gave in my first two sentences:
>>>
>>> 1. “personal self-defense“
>>>
>>> 2. “voluntary defense associations for those extremely rare occasions
>>> when violent confrontations happen”
>>>
>>> 3. “Private security”
>>>
>>> I brought up the Benson book and the Smith essay as examples of a vast
>>> literature by libertarians on how to deal with this issue. Not only is the
>>> literature vast, but it goes back decades. The idea of dismantling the
>>> police and government in general are not really all that new in libertarian
>>> circles. Again, they’ve been discussed and written about before I was born.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dan
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>>>
>>> http://author.to/DanUst
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>>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 2:21 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am simply not interested enough in it to read a book.  But just a hint
>>> or two about how to deal with crime without police would be a help.  bill w
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:37 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't have all the answers here, but personal self-defense and
>>>> voluntary defense associations for those extremely rare occasions when
>>>> violent confrontations happen. Private security already plays a role in
>>>> current US-American society, such as security guards inside shopping malls
>>>> and the like. So I don't see any reason why people can't specialize in
>>>> security and things like detection and apprehension of suspects. What
>>>> wouldn't exist under such a system is a group of people who have special
>>>> privileges because of this specialization. (And self-help wouldn't be
>>>> outlawed.)
>>>>
>>>> Elsewhere I mentioned Bruce L. Benson's 1990 book _The Enterprise of
>>>> Law: Justice Without the State_. He goes over much of this in far more
>>>> depth than me. Also, market anarchists have been discussing how to deal
>>>> with crime without the state for decades now. This is all part of the
>>>> literature of libertarian thought, no? (What shocks me is meeting people
>>>> who call themselves libertarians who seem unaware of this work. Have you
>>>> heard of Benson's work? That's not his only book. How about George H.
>>>> Smith? Have you read his essay "Justice Entrepreneurship In a Free Market"?
>>>> He wrote on this subject back in 1979!)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
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