[ExI] facial recognition software

[SR Ballard]

It’s not legal (per our insurance) for them to try the job.

SR Ballard

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> A couple of questions:  is 'stupid' the same as unintelligent?  2 - who hired these bozos?  I would think that they would have some kind of exercises where the applicant does what he will do on the job, and if people can't do what you said, they wouldn't have been hired.
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> 'Stupid' has a different connotation for me.  To me it means knowing better but not doing better.  I know that's not in the dictionary, but we need a word for the gap between knowledge and proper actions.   bill w
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> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 3:50 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>> >…There will always be evidence of that baby you gave up for adoption, or what have you…
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>>> Not necessarily.  In California and other places, we managed to get a ballot measure that allows anyone to hand over a baby without identification of the person, no attempt to identify, no paperwork, just go to the police station or fire station or hospital, hand over the baby, walk away, no questions asked.  I don’t know why that took so long to get that law in place: it saves lives.
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>> You misunderstand. Even with these laws there is some shred of evidence— a photo online, a hospital bill, etc that would always out you. If for some reason someone wanted to know if you had a baby, I feel quite certain they would find a way to know. 
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>> A woman can’t really “go help their aunt for a year on the farm”. Their husband couldn’t have “died in the war”, etc. there are ways to check.
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>> Every year there are fewer jobs for true misanthropes. Loggers are no longer solitary. Trappers barely exist as most skins are farmed. Hunters are supplanted by commercial farms. Less fire-watch as there are less forests and more satellites. Small towns die and big cities explode. Manual jobs are supplanted by technology and service jobs.
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>> What do we do with all the stupid people? Is stupid a disability now? I ask because there are people who apply to work with me (fast food) who are literally too stupid to take orders, make desserts, and pour drinks. It’s crazy common.
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>> These are things I am very concerned about. Normal things are increasingly criminalized. I don’t find it to be a good thing. Being an asshole shouldn’t be illegal. Being stupid shouldn’t be illegal. 
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>> I really am concerned that when we are making and imaging the future that we’re only making spaces for people like ourselves or who we wish we were, and forgetting about everyone else. 
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>>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 9:19 AM, spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> On Behalf Of SR Ballard via extropy-chat
>>> Subject: Re: [ExI] facial recognition software
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>>> >…When one makes a mistake it can never be outrun. One cannot “go to the frontier” or “go into the wilds” or any such thing. One cannot take up a different name and live a different life, never to be reminded of their past… You can NEVER start over. Employers are legally required to dredge up your past even for fast food jobs. 
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>>> I teach this to my scouts.  In their world, there is no do-over.  The age of accountability marches steadily back.  Be careful what you post.  I could forget finding a job with a clearance now because of what I have posted on ExI: a potential employer wouldn’t know me well enough to know most of what I post is to entertain the proletariat.
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>>> >…There will always be evidence of that baby you gave up for adoption, or what have you…
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>>> Not necessarily.  In California and other places, we managed to get a ballot measure that allows anyone to hand over a baby without identification of the person, no attempt to identify, no paperwork, just go to the police station or fire station or hospital, hand over the baby, walk away, no questions asked.  I don’t know why that took so long to get that law in place: it saves lives.
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>>> >…I don’t think that’s good. 
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>>> SR Ballard
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>>> It does make life complicated for those who go wrong in their early years, I will agree.  I don’t know what to do about it: in its various forms, information technology keeps marching on.
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>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:59 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> I see where Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM have started refusing to sell this software to police depts. until the issue is settled at the federal level.
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>>> I am of two minds about that software:  to some extent it keeps us safe by identifying perps for the cops to bring in.
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>>> But it is also an invasion of privacy, and I think that outweighs the good usage above.
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>>> bill w
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