[ExI] facial recognition software

[William Flynn Wallace]

I am not sure that there are rules crazier than that one.  How many bad
days does it take to fire them?   bill w

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 5:17 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> It’s not legal (per our insurance) for them to try the job.
>
> SR Ballard
>
> On Jun 13, 2020, at 4:42 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> A couple of questions:  is 'stupid' the same as unintelligent?  2 - who
> hired these bozos?  I would think that they would have some kind of
> exercises where the applicant does what he will do on the job, and if
> people can't do what you said, they wouldn't have been hired.
>
> 'Stupid' has a different connotation for me.  To me it means knowing
> better but not doing better.  I know that's not in the dictionary, but we
> need a word for the gap between knowledge and proper actions.   bill w
>
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 3:50 PM SR Ballard via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> >…There will always be evidence of that baby you gave up for adoption, or
>> what have you…
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>> Not necessarily.  In California and other places, we managed to get a
>> ballot measure that allows anyone to hand over a baby without
>> identification of the person, no attempt to identify, no paperwork, just go
>> to the police station or fire station or hospital, hand over the baby, walk
>> away, no questions asked.  I don’t know why that took so long to get that
>> law in place: it saves lives.
>>
>>
>> You misunderstand. Even with these laws there is some shred of evidence—
>> a photo online, a hospital bill, etc that would always out you. If for some
>> reason someone wanted to know if you had a baby, I feel quite certain they
>> would find a way to know.
>>
>> A woman can’t really “go help their aunt for a year on the farm”. Their
>> husband couldn’t have “died in the war”, etc. there are ways to check.
>>
>> Every year there are fewer jobs for true misanthropes. Loggers are no
>> longer solitary. Trappers barely exist as most skins are farmed. Hunters
>> are supplanted by commercial farms. Less fire-watch as there are less
>> forests and more satellites. Small towns die and big cities explode. Manual
>> jobs are supplanted by technology and service jobs.
>>
>> What do we do with all the stupid people? Is stupid a disability now? I
>> ask because there are people who apply to work with me (fast food) who are
>> literally too stupid to take orders, make desserts, and pour drinks. It’s
>> crazy common.
>>
>> These are things I am very concerned about. Normal things are
>> increasingly criminalized. I don’t find it to be a good thing. Being an
>> asshole shouldn’t be illegal. Being stupid shouldn’t be illegal.
>>
>> I really am concerned that when we are making and imaging the future that
>> we’re only making spaces for people like ourselves or who we wish we were,
>> and forgetting about everyone else.
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>> On Jun 13, 2020, at 9:19 AM, spike jones via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
>> Of *SR Ballard via extropy-chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] facial recognition software
>>
>>
>>
>> >…When one makes a mistake it can never be outrun. One cannot “go to the
>> frontier” or “go into the wilds” or any such thing. One cannot take up a
>> different name and live a different life, never to be reminded of their
>> past… You can NEVER start over. Employers are legally required to dredge up
>> your past even for fast food jobs.
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>> I teach this to my scouts.  In their world, there is no do-over.  The age
>> of accountability marches steadily back.  Be careful what you post.  I
>> could forget finding a job with a clearance now because of what I have
>> posted on ExI: a potential employer wouldn’t know me well enough to know
>> most of what I post is to entertain the proletariat.
>>
>>
>>
>> >…There will always be evidence of that baby you gave up for adoption, or
>> what have you…
>>
>>
>>
>> Not necessarily.  In California and other places, we managed to get a
>> ballot measure that allows anyone to hand over a baby without
>> identification of the person, no attempt to identify, no paperwork, just go
>> to the police station or fire station or hospital, hand over the baby, walk
>> away, no questions asked.  I don’t know why that took so long to get that
>> law in place: it saves lives.
>>
>>
>>
>> >…I don’t think that’s good.
>>
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>>
>> SR Ballard
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>> It does make life complicated for those who go wrong in their early
>> years, I will agree.  I don’t know what to do about it: in its various
>> forms, information technology keeps marching on.
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>> spike
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>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:59 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> I see where Amazon, Microsoft, and IBM have started refusing to sell this
>> software to police depts. until the issue is settled at the federal level.
>>
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>> I am of two minds about that software:  to some extent it keeps us safe
>> by identifying perps for the cops to bring in.
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>>
>> But it is also an invasion of privacy, and I think that outweighs the
>> good usage above.
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>> bill w
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