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[William Flynn Wallace]

The reason for 'them' and 'they' is that they are different from me in ways
that are significant to me.  Morally. Theirs is a different culture.  And I
don't want to be considered any part of it.  I am not a part of the
relativism movement in moral philosophy.

It is a point that several black professors of national standing have made
and said that blacks need to correct if they want to be regarded as
equals.  If you do not know what I am talking about, you are quite ignorant
and you might want to fix that.

Another thing you might want to fix is preaching to me.  I suggest you pick
another person if you want to try to 'correct' their moral thinking.

I will, as always, continue to disregard their color and treat them as I
will anyone else.

This is the end of my part of this thread.

bill w

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:16 PM Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 1:28 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> The only black people I have ever known in any capacity have been low
>> class people - laborers on the farm or at the railroad station and so on,
>> most of them illiterate.  I cannot speak for blacks of higher classes, but
>> from my limited experience I can attest that for kindness of heart they are
>> at least our equals.  bill w
>>
>>
> i was already "smh" and about to just brush the whole thread off...  but
> that falls under the idea of silence equals acceptance.
>
> the first problem is seeing "blacks" as "they" - you need to fix that kind
> of thinking.  And if you don't like my use of singular you, then how about
> "we"  as in "we need to fix that kind of thinking"  I propose that you have
> the discipline to replace all future expression of "blacks" as "black
> people" so you are constantly reminded that color is an adjective and not a
> noun.  The common thing between "black people" and "white people" is that
> we're all "people".  It should be a simple enough change that it might even
> be possible.  We should at least TRY.
>
> If you are going to say something about "black people" that would also be
> true of "white people" then you shouldn't even mention color.  "I cannot
> speak for [unnecessary qualifier] people of higher classes..." because the
> point you might be making is about classism or economic privilege, and in
> that case there is no need to confuse the point with racist-sounding
> rhetoric.
>
> If you were to make the point that you don't know any "black people" from
> higher classes than those laborers, then I will conclude that you either
> live in a place that is remote/sheltered or very privileged to have
> maintained isolation from an entire demographic of people.  That's not in
> itself wrong; but it's a bias that you should be able to check at the
> door.  After that, you're then admitting that there might be a systemic
> imbalance in the opportunity afforded to a subset of the population such
> that you've lived a life of uneven distribution and equal access.
>
> I think the reform that #BLM is looking for, needs to start in the ideas
> that separate as well as unify.  I think #BLM has too much momentum to
> redefine their message at this point, but as far as memes go I think #BLM
> will unravel and fly apart before it achieves a self-sustaining change.
> Maybe that will create enough space for the next seed to grow to maturity.
> I can't see that far ahead.
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