[ExI] Muslim and Supermuslim: Toward Islamic transhumanism?

[William Flynn Wallace]

The problem with state atheism as an example of militant actions is that
atheism is not the cause of the actions.  It's mainly territory and such,
not trying to convert believers into nonbelievers. Come to think of it, I
have never heard of that in my life.
 bill w

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:58 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
>
>
> On 2020. Mar 2., Mon at 15:49, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> There are lots of militant religious organizations and many violent
>> deeds.  I have yet to see any attributed to militant atheists.  Examples
>> please?  bill w
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:57 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ben, I'm aware of the "violence and coerciveness" that has often
>>> been practiced by organized believers. I'm also aware of the
>>> equivalent violence and coerciveness that has often been practiced by
>>> organized atheists. Here in Eastern Europe, everyone has horror
>>> stories to tell about the violent and coercive persecution of
>>> believers that happened until a couple of decades ago.
>>>
>>> And this is my best example of how the "arguments" of atheists against
>>> believers fail: Their own camp is guilty of exactly the same violent
>>> and coercive behavior of which they accuse the other camp.
>>>
>>> As you say, philosophical convictions shouldn't be blamed for the
>>> violent and coercive behavior of assholes in both camps (just like
>>> football shouldn't be blamed for violent hooliganism). But I think
>>> that, in both camps, the reasonable majority should disown and
>>> denounce unreasonable minorities.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat
>>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On 29/02/2020 22:01, Giulio Prisco wrote:
>>> > > my point is that the “arguments” of atheists against believers can be
>>> > > redirected at the atheists themselves, who often behave exactly like
>>> > > fundamentalist believers.
>>> >
>>> > Can you give us some examples of these arguments?
>>> >
>>> >  From your use of quotes, I take it you don't think they are valid
>>> > arguments in the first place, but I'd like to hear what they are.
>>> >
>>> > I also take it that when you talk about the behaviour of fundamentalist
>>> > believers, you are excluding the violence and coerciveness which most
>>> > people think is the problem with fundamentalism.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Ben Zaiboc
>>> >
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