[ExI] Muslim and Supermuslim: Toward Islamic transhumanism?
giulio at gmail.com
Mon Mar 2 14:54:03 UTC 2020
On 2020. Mar 2., Mon at 15:49, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> There are lots of militant religious organizations and many violent
> deeds. I have yet to see any attributed to militant atheists. Examples
> please? bill w
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:57 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> Hi Ben, I'm aware of the "violence and coerciveness" that has often
>> been practiced by organized believers. I'm also aware of the
>> equivalent violence and coerciveness that has often been practiced by
>> organized atheists. Here in Eastern Europe, everyone has horror
>> stories to tell about the violent and coercive persecution of
>> believers that happened until a couple of decades ago.
>> And this is my best example of how the "arguments" of atheists against
>> believers fail: Their own camp is guilty of exactly the same violent
>> and coercive behavior of which they accuse the other camp.
>> As you say, philosophical convictions shouldn't be blamed for the
>> violent and coercive behavior of assholes in both camps (just like
>> football shouldn't be blamed for violent hooliganism). But I think
>> that, in both camps, the reasonable majority should disown and
>> denounce unreasonable minorities.
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat
>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> > On 29/02/2020 22:01, Giulio Prisco wrote:
>> > > my point is that the “arguments” of atheists against believers can be
>> > > redirected at the atheists themselves, who often behave exactly like
>> > > fundamentalist believers.
>> > Can you give us some examples of these arguments?
>> > From your use of quotes, I take it you don't think they are valid
>> > arguments in the first place, but I'd like to hear what they are.
>> > I also take it that when you talk about the behaviour of fundamentalist
>> > believers, you are excluding the violence and coerciveness which most
>> > people think is the problem with fundamentalism.
>> > --
>> > Ben Zaiboc
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