[ExI] Muslim and Supermuslim: Toward Islamic transhumanism?

[Stuart LaForge]

You might want to Google Uighurs (Mongolian-Chinese Muslims) and how  
the Chinese government sends them to re-education camps to break them  
of their religion and make them loyal communists. And if they persist  
in practicing their religious beliefs after being sent to re-education  
camps, then they get their organs harvested for transplant.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-harvesting-organs-of-uighur-muslims-china-tribunal-tells-un-2019-9

Stuart LaForge



Quoting Bill Wallace:

> The problem with state atheism as an example of militant actions is that
> atheism is not the cause of the actions.  It's mainly territory and such,
> not trying to convert believers into nonbelievers. Come to think of it, I
> have never heard of that in my life.
> bill w
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 8:58 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
>>
>>
>> On 2020. Mar 2., Mon at 15:49, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> There are lots of militant religious organizations and many violent
>>> deeds.  I have yet to see any attributed to militant atheists.  Examples
>>> please?  bill w
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:57 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ben, I'm aware of the "violence and coerciveness" that has often
>>>> been practiced by organized believers. I'm also aware of the
>>>> equivalent violence and coerciveness that has often been practiced by
>>>> organized atheists. Here in Eastern Europe, everyone has horror
>>>> stories to tell about the violent and coercive persecution of
>>>> believers that happened until a couple of decades ago.
>>>>
>>>> And this is my best example of how the "arguments" of atheists against
>>>> believers fail: Their own camp is guilty of exactly the same violent
>>>> and coercive behavior of which they accuse the other camp.
>>>>
>>>> As you say, philosophical convictions shouldn't be blamed for the
>>>> violent and coercive behavior of assholes in both camps (just like
>>>> football shouldn't be blamed for violent hooliganism). But I think
>>>> that, in both camps, the reasonable majority should disown and
>>>> denounce unreasonable minorities.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat
>>>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 29/02/2020 22:01, Giulio Prisco wrote:
>>>>> > my point is that the ?arguments? of atheists against believers can be
>>>>> > redirected at the atheists themselves, who often behave exactly like
>>>>> > fundamentalist believers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you give us some examples of these arguments?
>>>>>
>>>>>  From your use of quotes, I take it you don't think they are valid
>>>>> arguments in the first place, but I'd like to hear what they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also take it that when you talk about the behaviour of fundamentalist
>>>>> believers, you are excluding the violence and coerciveness which most
>>>>> people think is the problem with fundamentalism.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ben Zaiboc