[ExI] Muslim and Supermuslim: Toward Islamic transhumanism?

[Giulio Prisco]

Hi John. Re "I have absolutely no loyalty to ideas so I can be talked
out of any point,..," - I can be talked out of *almost* any point (if
I hear good solid arguments). But some times you have heard an
argument hundreds of times, always found it very weak, and know it by
heart. In these cases, I don't spend too much time on the issue: I
know that their argument won't persuade me, and I know that my
counter-argument won't persuade them. I am perfectly happy with
agreeing to disagree.

If you remember my posts to this list of 20 years ago you remember
that I was leaning toward atheism (though never militant atheism).
Today, I lean toward some sort of religious faith. So I have changed
my mind on this point, also as a result of discussions with militant
atheists on this very mailing list!

To Spinoza's quote (often attributed to Steven Weinberg), Freeman
Dyson added: "And for bad people to do good things - that takes
religion."

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:42 PM John Clark via extropy-chat
<extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:08 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> > I'm equating people who are violent, coercive, etc., and happen to be atheists, with with people who are violent, coercive, etc., and happen to be believers.
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> In his novel "Quartet" Spinoza said "Good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things, but to have good people do bad things, for that you need religion".
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>> > I can't be talked out my point.
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> I have absolutely no loyalty to ideas so I can be talked out of any point, all that's needed is a logical argument that is stronger than my own, when that happens I abandon my previous position and embrace the new one as my own until something even better comes along.
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> John K Clark
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