[ExI] Muslim and Supermuslim: Toward Islamic transhumanism?

[William Flynn Wallace]

re Dyson quote:  many studies totally disconfirm this idea, that religious
people are more moral than atheists.

bill w

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:55 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Hi John. Re "I have absolutely no loyalty to ideas so I can be talked
> out of any point,..," - I can be talked out of *almost* any point (if
> I hear good solid arguments). But some times you have heard an
> argument hundreds of times, always found it very weak, and know it by
> heart. In these cases, I don't spend too much time on the issue: I
> know that their argument won't persuade me, and I know that my
> counter-argument won't persuade them. I am perfectly happy with
> agreeing to disagree.
>
> If you remember my posts to this list of 20 years ago you remember
> that I was leaning toward atheism (though never militant atheism).
> Today, I lean toward some sort of religious faith. So I have changed
> my mind on this point, also as a result of discussions with militant
> atheists on this very mailing list!
>
> To Spinoza's quote (often attributed to Steven Weinberg), Freeman
> Dyson added: "And for bad people to do good things - that takes
> religion."
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:42 PM John Clark via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 4:08 AM Giulio Prisco via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >
> >> > I'm equating people who are violent, coercive, etc., and happen to be
> atheists, with with people who are violent, coercive, etc., and happen to
> be believers.
> >
> >
> > In his novel "Quartet" Spinoza said "Good people will do good things and
> bad people will do bad things, but to have good people do bad things, for
> that you need religion".
> >
> >> > I can't be talked out my point.
> >
> >
> > I have absolutely no loyalty to ideas so I can be talked out of any
> point, all that's needed is a logical argument that is stronger than my
> own, when that happens I abandon my previous position and embrace the new
> one as my own until something even better comes along.
> >
> > John K Clark
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