[ExI] Science Fiction (was Re: Motivated Reasoning)

[Giulio Prisco]

The Expanse? Not explicitly transhumanist, but a very good SF show compared
to the others.
Pls don’t mention Altered Carbon, a very bad adaptation of a great SF work.

On 2020. Mar 15., Sun at 12:22, Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On 14/03/2020 17:07, Gabe Waggoner wrote:
>
> I always figured some Trek folks were part of this list, but I'm happy to
> see it explicitly mentioned.
>
>
>
> I'd be surprised if there were more than a handful of people on this list
> with a negative attitude towards science-fiction in general. I count myself
> as an SF nerd, having read the stuff for almost as long as I've been able
> to read.
>
> I've always found Star Trek to have an anti-transhumanist vibe, though. In
> fact, thinking about it, very very few SF TV shows or films have had even a
> neutral attitude to it, most of them being very anti. It's only in books
> that you tend to see pro-transhumanist attitudes. And there are some great
> ones (and that's not an American 'great', either, I really mean
> outstanding, not just 'good').
> Iain M Banks, Neal Asher, Peter Hamilton, Linda Nagata, Charlie Stross
> (when he writes SF), and to a lesser degree, Alastair Reynolds are probably
> my favourite modern authors, but of course there's a long list of
> precursors to them, stretching right back to Jules Verne.
>
> Can anyone think of a pro-transhumanist film or TV show? I mean one that
> doesn't derive a negative message from transhumanist themes and
> aspirations? Longevity, enhancement, AI, uploading, etc.? The best I can
> think of are 'Transcendence' (ambivalent, if even that), 'Chappie', which
> might count as an exception to the rule, and 'Ghost in the Shell' (at the
> risk of starting an argument!), which has some nice technology, but is
> basically a dystopian vision.
>
> I'm not counting 'superhero'-type things, because these are about mutants,
> magic, special people or species, and the ordinary people aren't any
> different to usual. Batman's technology is reserved for Batman, Ditto
> Ironman (with a slightly more realistic element of the military muscling in
> on it). No-one ever thinks of giving other people spiderman-like abilities,
> or how to raise humans up to the level of Asgardians, and so-on.
> 'Limitless' and 'Lucy' are about single individuals gaining special
> abilities ('superpowers', essentially), just like Spiderman or Green
> Lantern.
>
> I would *love* to see someone do a film or TV show from the 'Culture'
> stories of Iain M Banks, or something where ordinary people are shown as
> having capabilities significantly beyond baseline human, without making a
> fuss of it. People who live indefinitely, cybernetic implants and full
> cyborgs being commonplace, uploads and multiple branching identities being
> background elements, that sort of thing.
>
> Despite all that, I still watch Star Trek, even the latest stupid one,
> which seems even more ridiculous and inconsistent than usual (and has a
> truly awful title sequence). It's entertaining, which makes up for any
> amount of awfulness (it's still not as bad as 'Deep Space Nine' though!).
>
>
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> Ben Zaiboc
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