[ExI] Muslim and Supermuslim: Toward Islamic transhumanism?

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Sat Mar 21 01:13:27 UTC 2020

They did evil because they are evil but they specifically victimized
religious people because they were atheist.  rafal

I think they, the Chinese communists, don't care about religion one way or
another.  What they care about is competition.  They don't want people
following religious leaders who may preach that the Chinese government is
wrong about anything, which of course they do, because the religious
leaders have to be against atheism (and a lot more).  Which is to say that
I don't believe that their atheism is a factor at all.  They would act the
same if a secular organization did the same things as the religions do.

It's dissent and competition that are the factors - not religion.  You are
imagining that fundamentalist atheists act the same as fundamentalist
religious people, and I don't agree with that.  Of course neither of our
opinions is subject to any kind of proof.

bill w

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 8:03 PM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:49 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> If you know of any groups of atheists that behave like terrorists *because
>> of their atheism*, I'd like to read about it.
>> I'm sure there are groups of people who behave like terrorists and also
>> happen to be atheists.
> ### Russian and Chinese communists terrorized Christians, Buddhists,
> Muslims, destroyed churches, shrines, mosques and slaughtered priests
> because they believed the future must be atheist. One could argue that
> communists were evil and did evil things because of being evil but that's
> missing the point. Communists are evil totalitarian atheists and they do
> their specific evil things, rather any of an infinity of alternative evil
> things, because of being evil, because of being totalitarian *and* because
> of being atheist. They did evil because they are evil but they specifically
> victimized religious people because they were atheist.
> I have no problem admitting that atheism can be an inspiration to do evil
> things. People do all kinds of things, good and bad, for all kinds of
> reasons, both true and imaginary. Atheism is correct where religions are
> not but that does not mean that atheism can only lead to good behavior. I
> think it is quite plausible that religions that promise punishment in the
> afterlife for misdeeds while alive in fact do deter some believers from
> wrong behavior, which is another way of saying that lack of religion is a
> cause of some transgressions.
> Of course, since I know with a high degree of certainty that the average
> religion is incorrect, I am incapable of acquiring religious faith, even if
> I thought religion was a net good but that's a different story.
> Rafal
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