[ExI] Evolution - 'Nature versus Nurture', but random noise as well

[Henrik Ohrstrom]

The genes are a blueprint but nature is a sloppy builder with dyslexia and
acalculia. The result is you :)
/Henrik

Den tis 24 mars 2020 17:09William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> skrev:

> Well, thanks for trying, but that doesn't help at all.  In fact, it makes
> it worse.  Someone asks me if nature or nurture mostly affects height and I
> say "Well, given an equal environment for all the subjects in the study,
> which is impossible, their genes will largely determine the adult height,
> although the terms Nature and Nurture are all wrong as is my answer."
>  What are people supposed to do with that?
>
> bill w
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:15 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On 23/03/2020 21:20, billw wrote:
>> > Well Ben, what can we do?  If I say that my height is mostly genetic
>> > am I wrong?  If I say that learning my name is mostly nurture, an I
>> > wrong?  How could I express myself without giving a lecture?  bill w
>>
>> I don't know. I don't know how to express it in a concise and easy way.
>>
>> "is my height mostly genetic?" is not, imo, a valid question, though. It
>> seems to mean a lot more than it actually does. The same with learning
>> being 'mostly nurture'.
>>
>> 'Nurture' isn't the right word to use in the first place, and neither is
>> 'nature'. We're talking about the interaction between genomes and a
>> dynamic environment, with many factors involved in both. I have no idea
>> how to conceptually condense and simplify a process that changes the sex
>> of crocodiles depending on the temperature of their eggs, for example. I
>> do know that characterising it in terms of 'nature vs. nature' is not
>> helpful.
>>
>> Maybe, as with many things, we need a new vocabulary. I don't know what
>> it is. I just know that the old one is unhelpful, to say the least.
>>
>> Maybe a lecture is a necessary part of the process. Who just made the
>> jump from Ptolemaic to Copernican cosmology without a few lectures being
>> involved? Very few, I suspect.
>>
>> --
>> Ben Zaiboc
>>
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