[ExI] Deficit spending and never admitting you were wrong

[William Flynn Wallace]

John, I want to hear from you when you are in such pain as to need an
opiate.  Your liver has no defense against and you will get high.  A
medical resident, who had never even had a beer, got his first access to
opiates at the hospital.  So he decided to see what it was like.  His
response "This is the way people should feel all the time.  Just
wonderful."  So he got hooked, lost his medical career, etc.

This is not uncommon.  I hope that someday there will be a genetic test to
see who is going to get addicted to alcohol, opiates, or what not.  This at
least will give some warning.  I got a warning:  I drank bourbon and got
angry - every time. Switched to vodka - no trouble.  I was allergic to
bourbon whisky.  How many thousands of lives have been lost in bars when a
person allergic like me got into knife fights, or went home and got a gun,
and went after someone at the bar who had dissed him.  This happens every
single day of this world.  I wish we had a test to show the person that his
anger is an allergy, not a natural reaction.  He drinks and gets angry at
just nothing and someone dies for it, often him.

It would be fairly challenging, I think to make your own opiates.  But not
so with alcohol.  There is just no way to keep a determined person from
making their own, from baker's yeast and dandelions if necessary.  It would
truly be awful and alcoholic.  I have known people who strained white shoe
polish through a loaf of bread and drank the alcohol that came out.  The
next time I checked on him (a black working with me at the railroad
station) he was dead.  Of course he could have died in a knife fight which
he was always telling me about.

bill w

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 9:46 AM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 23:14, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> My question was if laws against opiate use protect people from opiate
>> addiction then why do we still have opiate addicts.  The war on drugs
>> doesn't seem to be going very well, I think it's time to call for an
>> armistice.
>>
>> John K Clark
>>
>> Maybe I misunderstood.  I am in favor of eliminating all laws against
>> pot, but opiates are a different story, as are many prescription drugs.
>> bill w
>>
>
> What about alcohol? It is probably at least as addictive and dangerous as
> some illicit and prescription drugs. Should it be banned again?
>
> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 7:09 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:36 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> *  >>> Our laws now protect everyone. *
>>>>>
>>>>>> >>Then why do drug addicts still exist? John K Clark
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> *> That, to me, is an astounding question.*
>>>>
>>>
>>> Those are the best sort.
>>>
>>> *> Have you ever had an opiate high?*
>>>>
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>>   > *Or any other kind? *
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't take happy pills, and I've never even had a marijuana high. I
>>> have taken a few drinks in my life but I found that all it did was make me
>>> stupid (some would say it just made me stupider) so I cut that out.
>>>
>>> *> If so, you must be able to see that some people,like me and alcohol,
>>>> cannot moderate it,*
>>>>
>>>
>>> My question was if laws against opiate use protect people from opiate
>>> addiction then why do we still have opiate addicts.  The war on drugs
>>> doesn't seem to be going very well, I think it's time to call for an
>>> armistice.
>>>
>>> John K Clark
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