[ExI] Human Fetal Tissue Research

Tue Sep 15 18:58:55 UTC 2020

Dylan - I fully agree.  It is totally up to the woman whether she gets an
abortion no matter who implanted the sperm.  I realize that this is a
serious infringement on 'rights' (??) the husband has and I have no
solution for it.  You?  It's her body,  Period.    Legal rights of the
husband has probably already been adjudicated.  I dunno.   bill w

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 1:08 PM Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Bill-
>
> Not that anyone asked, but it sounds like you and I are in exact alignment
> on this issue all around.
>
> The only nuance for me I would add to your position is that I don't think
> a mother who was put into that spot against her will via rape should find
> anything immoral in aborting a fetus she had no choice in creating.
>  There's also the added argument of potential bad genes being introduced
> into the world by carrying it to term under the assumption that rapists are
> not always just products of their environment.
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 1:12 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Dylan, here is my position:  When an embryo attaches itself to the
>> uterine wall, it has a good chance of surviving the 39 weeks.  To wash it
>> out is to stop a human life.  No, not a potential life, a life.
>>
>> So I am opposed to it except for protecting the mother's health.
>> However, I support no laws, I support Roe v Wade, and I don't want anyone
>> to interfere with a human's sex life in any way at all.  I am a libertarian.
>>
>> I do think that using abortion as a birth control method is highly
>> immoral.  I personally know the operator of the only abortion clinic in
>> Mississippi, a former student of mine, .  She too, thinks multiple
>> abortions are immoral, though she will not stop letting them happen.  It's
>> a woman's right, as we see it.
>>
>> As for fetal tissue:  why not let the poor thing make some contribution
>> to science?  I see nothing immoral about it.
>>
>> bill w
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 11:46 AM Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it's legal.  As Spike mentioned, they're free to go raise the money
>>> for it somewhere else.   If you're someone who considers life starting at
>>> the moment of conception, and all abortion as murder, I can understand why
>>> you don't want your taxpayer dollars going to support it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 12:25 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So get private funding.  Then study what makes sense rather than what
>>>> government dictates.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> spike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is fetal tissue legal even privately?    bill w
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:44 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:27 AM
>>>>> *To:* ExI chat list <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>
>>>>> *Cc:* Gregory Jones <spike at rainier66.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] Human Fetal Tissue Research
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 8:10 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *> **So have this funded privately.  If you accept government money
>>>>> you have to play by gove*rnment rules.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >…Spike, is there ANY action the current Presidential administration
>>>>> could take that you would not defend with every fiber of your being?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John K Clark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John everything isn’t about presidents or politics.  If you take
>>>>> government money, you play by government rules.  Is there any politics in
>>>>> that comment?  Any defense of any presidential action?  If so, note the
>>>>> comment “if you take government money, you play by government rules.”  If
>>>>> you don’t like their control, don’t take “their” money.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind that “government money” is paid by taxpayers.  Where we
>>>>> don’t want to go is having a lot of taxpayers recognize that their money is
>>>>> going to support something they consider morally abhorrent.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So get private funding.  Then study what makes sense rather than what
>>>>> government dictates.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> spike
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