[ExI] jarring change

[Dan TheBookMan]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 12:22 PM Dave Sill <sparge at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 3:06 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 6:36 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> > What jobs and careers actually require a Masters or
>> > Bachelors -- as opposed to someone getting them because it's
>> > expected?)  dan
>> >
>> > If you are in higher education, a Ph. D. (or some other doctorate) is a must unless you are thinking of teaching at a junior/community college or high school.  A Master's in psych, for example, is a booby prize for those who got in as a first year student, but did not pass the tests for entrance to the doctoral program, given at the end of the first year..  bill w
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>> Yet there the Masters has become the new high school diploma now. My
>> question was rhetorical. Very few jobs and careers considered via
>> skills and experience need a college degree.
>
> Rhetorical or not, I'll answer it: my daughter is a "Licensed Professional Counselor with Mental Health Service Provider designation" <https://www.mentalhealthcounselorlicense.com/license/mental-health-counselor-tennessee.html> which requires "a graduate program with a counseling major". She has a Master of Education in Mental Health Counseling.

My goal was only to highlight it's wasteful -- not to ask for a list
of jobs where it's a base requirement. (Even in those cases, I
wonder.)

>> Writing code even at an
>> expert level is probably better served by learning to write code and
>> do general problem solving along with much hands on work in the field
>> -- not by fulfilling a Masters.
>
> Absolutely agree.

That's my point. Most positions that require college education don't
really need it. It's just a way of signaling to an employer you'll be
a good worker, but it really is a very wasteful signal. (Of course,
from the degree holder who gets a job, it pays off, but it raises the
bar for everyone needlessly and results in a huge waste of time,
effort, and money to chase after that prize. Again, I refer to
Caplan's book.)

Regards,

Dan
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