[ExI] Human Fetal Tissue Research

[John Grigg]

Meanwhile, in China, they don't have qualms about such research. And this
gives them a big advantage over us. But then, they are ruled by a regime
that has made millions with the murder of people, and the selling of their
organs on the world market.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 7:56 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 8:36 PM Dylan Distasio via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:46 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >> How is government-sponsored murder otherwise similar to 'social
> >> justice'? It's almost like you're saying, 'I can't get my local school
> >> to stop teaching about the US-Americans massacring natives in places
> >> like Sand Creek.' (I'm using this example because a local school
> >> teacher was called on the carpet for teaching about it in class. Some
> >> parents actually didn't want their children to know about that part of
> >> US history.)
> >
> > That is absolutely NOT what I'm saying.   My point is a political agenda
> is being promulgated in a tax payer funded public school.   It's not about
> preventing someone from teaching an ugly part of American history.   It's
> about filtering what is supposed to be academics through an overtly
> political lens.   I don't believe any political agendas should be driving
> public school education.  BLM and SPLC are both overtly political
> organizations with very specific agendas that I don't happen to agree
> with.   I'm not spending tax dollars for indoctrination in a public school
> setting.
> >
> > The point is there is little recourse to prevent even that.   Attempting
> to prevent government sponsered murder is an even bigger fool's errand than
> that.
>
> Since it's government schooling, it's already politicized as others
> pointed out. Anything, too, can be politicized. For me, if I had
> children in school, the worry wouldn't be whether there was a
> political agenda in place -- because I'd expect one -- but what
> exactly was being taught and how. To be sure, I'd probably go the
> route of homeschooling -- if I were inclined that way. (Don't intend
> to have kids, so this is kind of idle speculation for me.:)
>
> By the way, I don't know the SPLC or the BLM movement's stand on
> teaching about stuff like the Sand Creek massacre, but my guess is
> they wouldn't be against that. So they don't run the schools. In fact,
> in the case I mentioned -- and this is in Washington state which is
> not a Red State or known for whitewashing American history -- the
> parents complaining seemed to be conservative, no? I mean they're not
> the kind of parents who'd likely write checks to the SPLC or join in
> BLM protests by my reckoning. (Of course, this could be a case of
> Right wingers seeing school history courses saying anything critical
> about America as political propaganda from 'cultural Marxists' while
> Left wingers seeing the same courses as hopelessly nationalistic
> because they don't critique enough.)
>
> There's another issue here, though. And, yeah, I'm probably going
> overboard with Caplan's work, but the impact of schooling on ideology
> seems overstated. If schooling really shifted or defined people's
> ideology, don't you think the political landscape would look very
> different? Caplan shows schooling tends to have far less impact on
> people's ideology than peers and generational influences. Also,
> there's the decades old work of Philip Converse that most people --
> about two-thirds of them in his studies -- simply don't hold a
> coherent ideology. (I knew a guy in college who seemed to fit into the
> two-thirds: I could argue the libertarian take on specific issues with
> him and he'd agree, but he never could rise above that. For instance,
> he might concur on legalizing pot, but it'd be another long argument
> on legalizing cocaine or LSD. The same thing with free trade: he might
> agree on free trade with electronics, but food was another story. He
> just never seemed to see how any of this stuff goes together. And I
> don't believe he was just agreeing to avoid conflict.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Dan
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