[ExI] US ?failed miserably? in wargame reportedly against China attack on Taiwan

[John Grigg]

The only hostile nations with the ability to attack America that way are
Russia, China, Iran (sooner rather than later) and North Korea. A very
short list...

On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 11:47 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> No, it'd be obvious it wasn't terrorists.  This is way beyond what
> terrorists can muster.  Only China has motivation and capability to nuke
> Taiwan...but China isn't the only one able and willing (if they think they
> can get away with it) to nuke the US.
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 11:32 PM John Grigg via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> And so the CCP does this "secretly" to Taiwan and then says to them, "oh,
>> my gosh!" "What a horrible act of terrorism some unknown villains did to
>> you!" "Well, due to our huge concern for you, we will immediately send
>> 250,000 members of our armed services with lots of equipment to help you
>> rebuild!" LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 11:23 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> "Defeatist" might be elaborating on the possibility of nuclear
>>> torpedoes, launched deniably underwater, coming within a kilometer or so of
>>> the shore, popping up, and nuking whatever near-shore city there is.  Note
>>> that around half of America's biggest cities are near or on an oceanic
>>> coast.  As they only show up on sensors (sonar at first) well after being
>>> fired, there's no proof of who to retaliate against, removing the biggest
>>> practical obstacle to a major power using them.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 10:26 PM John Grigg via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, and don't forget about the Russian super-cavitation torpedoes! Lol
>>>> But what about drone swarms around warships, to keep them safe above and
>>>> below the water? And my understanding is that far more powerful lasers will
>>>> be deployed on our ships within the next few years. And there are the
>>>> vulcan guns to shoot a million big bullets at incoming missiles. But of
>>>> course their targeting systems have to be up to the task. And I would like
>>>> to think the military has some awesome above top secret weapons systems
>>>> that are in storage and ready to go, if war comes.
>>>>
>>>> Spike, I feel like you are being defeatist, but then you are an
>>>> experienced engineer so perhaps you have knowledge the rest of us don't. I
>>>> personally think you don't fully grok how if the CCP is appeased and gets
>>>> their way, that American hegemony will be seen by the world as coming to an
>>>> end and things will never be the same. Our allies will realize that when
>>>> push comes to shove, and then war, that we give in to China. Jinping will
>>>> play his hand by telling an American president who wants to oppose a CCP
>>>> invasion of Taiwan, that he is risking the destruction of the global
>>>> economy and even the world, should things escalate to the use of nuclear
>>>> weapons. America must not give in to a tyrant who thinks he can get away
>>>> with such behavior, despite the possible risks.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 9:40 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> On Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> >...I feel that losing the Taiwan scenario in a war game is just the
>>>>> wake up
>>>>> call that the U.S. naval commanders needed to keep them from fighting
>>>>> the
>>>>> previous war. The fact that the U.S. lost the war game might mean they
>>>>> have
>>>>> not figured this out yet. But the fact that the outcome of the war game
>>>>> leaked may mean that they have....
>>>>>
>>>>> Stuart LaForge
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stuart, torpedo technology has far outpaced anti-missile technology.
>>>>> Torpedoes fly above the water at speeds higher than shipborne lasers
>>>>> can
>>>>> defend.  Result: flattops (and all other surface ships) cannot be
>>>>> defended.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have had Taiwan money flowing into the states for a long time now.
>>>>> What
>>>>> I read in this leak is that the US is signaling to the money remaining
>>>>> in
>>>>> Taiwan to get out now: the USA will not defend because it cannot.  But
>>>>> the
>>>>> USA will cheerfully accept rich people from Taiwan to come here to
>>>>> live in
>>>>> peace.
>>>>>
>>>>> spike
>>>>>
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