[ExI] US ?failed miserably? in wargame reportedly against China attack on Taiwan

[Adrian Tymes]

Still enough to potentially cause US nukes not to fly back in retaliation,
for fear of hitting an innocent country.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 12:01 AM John Grigg via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> The only hostile nations with the ability to attack America that way are
> Russia, China, Iran (sooner rather than later) and North Korea. A very
> short list...
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 11:47 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> No, it'd be obvious it wasn't terrorists.  This is way beyond what
>> terrorists can muster.  Only China has motivation and capability to nuke
>> Taiwan...but China isn't the only one able and willing (if they think they
>> can get away with it) to nuke the US.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 11:32 PM John Grigg via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> And so the CCP does this "secretly" to Taiwan and then says to them,
>>> "oh, my gosh!" "What a horrible act of terrorism some unknown villains did
>>> to you!" "Well, due to our huge concern for you, we will immediately send
>>> 250,000 members of our armed services with lots of equipment to help you
>>> rebuild!" LOL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 11:23 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Defeatist" might be elaborating on the possibility of nuclear
>>>> torpedoes, launched deniably underwater, coming within a kilometer or so of
>>>> the shore, popping up, and nuking whatever near-shore city there is.  Note
>>>> that around half of America's biggest cities are near or on an oceanic
>>>> coast.  As they only show up on sensors (sonar at first) well after being
>>>> fired, there's no proof of who to retaliate against, removing the biggest
>>>> practical obstacle to a major power using them.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 10:26 PM John Grigg via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and don't forget about the Russian super-cavitation torpedoes! Lol
>>>>> But what about drone swarms around warships, to keep them safe above and
>>>>> below the water? And my understanding is that far more powerful lasers will
>>>>> be deployed on our ships within the next few years. And there are the
>>>>> vulcan guns to shoot a million big bullets at incoming missiles. But of
>>>>> course their targeting systems have to be up to the task. And I would like
>>>>> to think the military has some awesome above top secret weapons systems
>>>>> that are in storage and ready to go, if war comes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spike, I feel like you are being defeatist, but then you are an
>>>>> experienced engineer so perhaps you have knowledge the rest of us don't. I
>>>>> personally think you don't fully grok how if the CCP is appeased and gets
>>>>> their way, that American hegemony will be seen by the world as coming to an
>>>>> end and things will never be the same. Our allies will realize that when
>>>>> push comes to shove, and then war, that we give in to China. Jinping will
>>>>> play his hand by telling an American president who wants to oppose a CCP
>>>>> invasion of Taiwan, that he is risking the destruction of the global
>>>>> economy and even the world, should things escalate to the use of nuclear
>>>>> weapons. America must not give in to a tyrant who thinks he can get away
>>>>> with such behavior, despite the possible risks.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 9:40 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >...I feel that losing the Taiwan scenario in a war game is just the
>>>>>> wake up
>>>>>> call that the U.S. naval commanders needed to keep them from fighting
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> previous war. The fact that the U.S. lost the war game might mean
>>>>>> they have
>>>>>> not figured this out yet. But the fact that the outcome of the war
>>>>>> game
>>>>>> leaked may mean that they have....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stuart LaForge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stuart, torpedo technology has far outpaced anti-missile technology.
>>>>>> Torpedoes fly above the water at speeds higher than shipborne lasers
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> defend.  Result: flattops (and all other surface ships) cannot be
>>>>>> defended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have had Taiwan money flowing into the states for a long time
>>>>>> now.  What
>>>>>> I read in this leak is that the US is signaling to the money
>>>>>> remaining in
>>>>>> Taiwan to get out now: the USA will not defend because it cannot.
>>>>>> But the
>>>>>> USA will cheerfully accept rich people from Taiwan to come here to
>>>>>> live in
>>>>>> peace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> spike
>>>>>>
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