[ExI] libertarian city - from Quora

[William Flynn Wallace]

The idea is that collectives run things rather than those specially endowed
with capital or power. Those who don’t want to participate or follow the
rules are excluded from society. The point is that anarchism does not mean
disorder, it means an elimination of hierarchical power structures. But
maybe it doesn’t  work and hierarchies run things better.

> --
Stathis Papaioannou

Collectives run things?  Then they have power and the money to run them.
Go to them with complaints and you are told they are running things and to
get lost.  Are people voted into the collectives?  Where does the money
come from?  Sure sounds like taxes and a hierarchy to me.  You can't get
rid of hierarchies.  Somebody has to have sayso in running anything.
Surely you are not one of those people who would let children vote in
family discussions.   bill w

On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 5:19 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 07:57, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 2:33 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Under anarchism the people run the services themselves rather than have
>>> them imposed from above.
>>>
>>
>> How is that even possible?  Unless literally everyone is involved in all
>> the services, which is impossible even for a few dozen people, the services
>> will by definition be "imposed" on anyone not running them, if they are to
>> work at all.
>>
>> Firefighting: if your house is next to mine and on fire, then my house is
>> at danger of catching fire.  If I'm a firefighter and you're not, then I
>> "impose" my service on you to save my house.  (Or I don't, and let your
>> house burn to the ground, thus rendering the firefighting service
>> ineffective.)
>>
>> Roads: if I build a road from my house to town, it goes by your house,
>> and you are not otherwise involved, I have "imposed" my road upon you.
>>
>> Health: pandemics don't care if you've opted in or not.  If you're
>> infected and you're my neighbor, you need to be treated before I get sick -
>> and vice versa.
>>
>> Police: if you have opted not to subscribe to the protection of the law,
>> people are free to impose force upon you, and will do so (if they think the
>> police really won't protect you) regardless of your alleged rights.  It
>> doesn't matter how many guns you have.
>>
>
> The idea is that collectives run things rather than those specially
> endowed with capital or power. Those who don’t want to participate or
> follow the rules are excluded from society. The point is that anarchism
> does not mean disorder, it means an elimination of hierarchical power
> structures. But maybe it doesn’t  work and hierarchies run things better.
>
>> --
> Stathis Papaioannou
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