[ExI] To achieve AGI, we need new perspectives on intelligence

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 17 17:54:30 UTC 2021


A case can be made for lowering the IQ of pigs.  I took a pig brain out
(physiological psych lab) and it was amazing:  looked just like a human
brain - very convoluted.  Pigs are usually rated just behind dogs and ahead
of horses, though pigs are very resistant to any kind of testing.  It might
assuage our consciences and make pigs easier to handle (kill!).

If you want to stop killing intelligent animals, start with pigs.   bill w

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 12:41 PM Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 12:19 PM John Grigg via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> “A human AGI without a body is bound to be, for all practical purposes, a
>> disembodied ‘zombie’ of sorts, lacking genuine understanding of the world
>> (with its myriad forms, natural phenomena, beauty, etc.) including its
>> human inhabitants, their motivations, habits, customs, behavior, etc. the
>> agent would need to fake all these,” Raghavachary
>>
> So Hawking's body became a prison, limiting him from "normal" human stuff.
>
> Would we have had the benefit of his mind without that body or without
> that specific circumstance?
>
> I think it's important to ensure that our "new definition" of intelligence
> does not exclude actual humans.  Ex: we could inadvertently revoke human
> status from comatose patients.
>
> It seems to me like much of the "AGI isn't real" blah blah is in defense
> of human superiority in the face of our losing that apex-thinker status.
> (Or that somehow humans have an all-important soul that machines will
> always lack)
>
> We need to admit that we're still eating and abusing other animals that
> show signs of intelligence... and we're starting to imagine AGI being the
> apex predator in the digital world.   We're becoming prey... for a hunter
> we're still building.
>
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