[ExI] covid or cold?

Sat Dec 25 01:31:44 UTC 2021

, once an institution has given a bunch of African Americans syphilis just
to see what would happen, that institution is no good.

We don't have to ask you how much data you require:  one instance of
something and you are against it forever despite the long passage of time,
increased scrutiny on them, different people, different policies, etc.  In
psychology we learn to avoid 'never - always -  all' and synonyms.    And
yours is an extreme example of stereotyping.  bill w

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 6:37 PM Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Not something, someone.
>
> And yes, institutional continuity counts.
>
> Yes, once a person has poked out an eye with a fork, that person is no
> good.
>
> And yes, once an institution has given a bunch of African Americans
> syphilis just to see what would happen, that institution is no good.
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 5:27 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 11:04, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Sanitation is lovely.
>>>
>>> Vaccines, when mature and properly tested over years, are great (though
>>> the history there is a whole lot messier than the popular mythology
>>> records).
>>>
>>> Public health measures were the stated justification at the time for the
>>> Warsaw Ghettoes and the Holocaust. And the eugenics movement. And the
>>> Tuskegee medical experiemtns.
>>>
>>> Any contempt public health as an institution experiences is richly
>>> deserved.
>>>
>>
>> Your argument is basically saying that something has been used to cause
>> harm, it’s no good. So because forks have been used to poke out a person’s
>> eye, forks are no good.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 4:58 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 09:38, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What gets overlooked in all of these conversations is /the/ key
>>>>> difference between doctors and public health professionals.
>>>>>
>>>>> When a doctor tells you "this treatment will save your life, but has a
>>>>> 0.05% chance of seriously injuring you", they have taken an oath to your
>>>>> best interests at heart.
>>>>>
>>>>> When a public health professional says "this mandatory national health
>>>>> intervention will save most people's lives, but has a 0.05% chance of
>>>>> seriously injuring someone" it means they've decided that your negative
>>>>> outcome is acceptable to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> The hippocratic Oath is thousands of years old. "Public Health" was
>>>>> invented in the 1800s. It's underlying philosophy is openly and explicitly
>>>>> tyrannical.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 20th century was not exactly a ringing endorsement for government
>>>>> by highly centralized technocracy, in case anyone here wasn't paying
>>>>> attention.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Public health measures, mainly sanitation and vaccines, have done more
>>>> good than all other medical treatments combined. I don’t want to live in a
>>>> country where this good is held in contempt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 3:29 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 07:39, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me personally it's far far less than 1% (I'm 29 and healthy,)
>>>>>>> for young healthy people it's more likely they die of a car accident or
>>>>>>> drug overdose.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, why does nobody in the mainstream ever talk about obesity with
>>>>>>> this?  Pretty much every young person you see dying from this is obese.
>>>>>>> Yet of course we have this medically dubious "healthy at every size"
>>>>>>> movement that makes people feel good mentally at the expense of their
>>>>>>> physical health.  People have no issue criticizing drug addicts but
>>>>>>> criticizing food addition is a no-no, apparently.  Losing weight probably
>>>>>>> increases chances of survival more than a vax does
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If only you could reduce the risk of obesity by 90% at the cost of
>>>>>> $20 and a sore arm for a day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 3:08 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 06:40, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nah, if you really get deep into internet communities you'll see
>>>>>>>>> even the vaxlovers are getting tired of this shit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm unvaxed and I still haven't gotten it.  I get enough sleep,
>>>>>>>>> don't stress much, and practice caloric restriction.  Same for my partner
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people haven’t had COVID and most people who have had COVID
>>>>>>>> did not get sick enough to end up in hospital. No-one denies that. But
>>>>>>>> people don’t like the idea that there is a 1% chance of dying from it, even
>>>>>>>> though it means there is a 99% chance of not dying from it. If 1% of planes
>>>>>>>> crashed and killed their passengers, even the healthy ones who eat well and
>>>>>>>> exercise, air travel would not be popular.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 12:34 AM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 12:05 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I keep hearing that the omicron variant looks and acts like a
>>>>>>>>>>> common cold.  If so, this is exactly what was predicted: eventually a
>>>>>>>>>>> killer-flu mutates into something more contagious and more benign.  What we
>>>>>>>>>>> still don’t know is if one brand of covid protects the catcher from the
>>>>>>>>>>> other brands.  If it does, then omicron is the end of this tragic nightmare.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ### There is immunological cross-reactivity between various Covid
>>>>>>>>>> variants, so an infection provides some protection against reinfection by
>>>>>>>>>> multiple other variants. However, the tragic nightmare is a godsend to
>>>>>>>>>> poseurs and power-grabbers, so I wouldn't be too optimistic that a mere
>>>>>>>>>> lack of lethality will end it ;(
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rafal
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