[ExI] covid or cold?

Sat Dec 25 00:36:01 UTC 2021

Not something, someone.

And yes, institutional continuity counts.

Yes, once a person has poked out an eye with a fork, that person is no good.

And yes, once an institution has given a bunch of African Americans
syphilis just to see what would happen, that institution is no good.

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 5:27 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 11:04, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> Sanitation is lovely.
>>
>> Vaccines, when mature and properly tested over years, are great (though
>> the history there is a whole lot messier than the popular mythology
>> records).
>>
>> Public health measures were the stated justification at the time for the
>> Warsaw Ghettoes and the Holocaust. And the eugenics movement. And the
>> Tuskegee medical experiemtns.
>>
>> Any contempt public health as an institution experiences is richly
>> deserved.
>>
>
> Your argument is basically saying that something has been used to cause
> harm, it’s no good. So because forks have been used to poke out a person’s
> eye, forks are no good.
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 4:58 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 09:38, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>> What gets overlooked in all of these conversations is /the/ key
>>>> difference between doctors and public health professionals.
>>>>
>>>> When a doctor tells you "this treatment will save your life, but has a
>>>> 0.05% chance of seriously injuring you", they have taken an oath to your
>>>> best interests at heart.
>>>>
>>>> When a public health professional says "this mandatory national health
>>>> intervention will save most people's lives, but has a 0.05% chance of
>>>> seriously injuring someone" it means they've decided that your negative
>>>> outcome is acceptable to them.
>>>>
>>>> The hippocratic Oath is thousands of years old. "Public Health" was
>>>> invented in the 1800s. It's underlying philosophy is openly and explicitly
>>>> tyrannical.
>>>>
>>>> The 20th century was not exactly a ringing endorsement for government
>>>> by highly centralized technocracy, in case anyone here wasn't paying
>>>> attention.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Public health measures, mainly sanitation and vaccines, have done more
>>> good than all other medical treatments combined. I don’t want to live in a
>>> country where this good is held in contempt.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 3:29 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 07:39, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For me personally it's far far less than 1% (I'm 29 and healthy,) for
>>>>>> young healthy people it's more likely they die of a car accident or drug
>>>>>> overdose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, why does nobody in the mainstream ever talk about obesity with
>>>>>> this?  Pretty much every young person you see dying from this is obese.
>>>>>> Yet of course we have this medically dubious "healthy at every size"
>>>>>> movement that makes people feel good mentally at the expense of their
>>>>>> physical health.  People have no issue criticizing drug addicts but
>>>>>> criticizing food addition is a no-no, apparently.  Losing weight probably
>>>>>> increases chances of survival more than a vax does
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If only you could reduce the risk of obesity by 90% at the cost of $20
>>>>> and a sore arm for a day.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 3:08 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 06:40, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nah, if you really get deep into internet communities you'll see
>>>>>>>> even the vaxlovers are getting tired of this shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm unvaxed and I still haven't gotten it.  I get enough sleep,
>>>>>>>> don't stress much, and practice caloric restriction.  Same for my partner
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people haven’t had COVID and most people who have had COVID did
>>>>>>> not get sick enough to end up in hospital. No-one denies that. But people
>>>>>>> don’t like the idea that there is a 1% chance of dying from it, even though
>>>>>>> it means there is a 99% chance of not dying from it. If 1% of planes
>>>>>>> crashed and killed their passengers, even the healthy ones who eat well and
>>>>>>> exercise, air travel would not be popular.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 12:34 AM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 12:05 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I keep hearing that the omicron variant looks and acts like a
>>>>>>>>>> common cold.  If so, this is exactly what was predicted: eventually a
>>>>>>>>>> killer-flu mutates into something more contagious and more benign.  What we
>>>>>>>>>> still don’t know is if one brand of covid protects the catcher from the
>>>>>>>>>> other brands.  If it does, then omicron is the end of this tragic nightmare.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ### There is immunological cross-reactivity between various Covid
>>>>>>>>> variants, so an infection provides some protection against reinfection by
>>>>>>>>> multiple other variants. However, the tragic nightmare is a godsend to
>>>>>>>>> poseurs and power-grabbers, so I wouldn't be too optimistic that a mere
>>>>>>>>> lack of lethality will end it ;(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rafal
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