[ExI] covid or cold?

Sat Dec 25 00:25:36 UTC 2021

On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 11:04, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Sanitation is lovely.
>
> Vaccines, when mature and properly tested over years, are great (though
> the history there is a whole lot messier than the popular mythology
> records).
>
> Public health measures were the stated justification at the time for the
> Warsaw Ghettoes and the Holocaust. And the eugenics movement. And the
> Tuskegee medical experiemtns.
>
> Any contempt public health as an institution experiences is richly
> deserved.
>

Your argument is basically saying that something has been used to cause
harm, it’s no good. So because forks have been used to poke out a person’s
eye, forks are no good.

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 4:58 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
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>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 09:38, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> What gets overlooked in all of these conversations is /the/ key
>>> difference between doctors and public health professionals.
>>>
>>> When a doctor tells you "this treatment will save your life, but has a
>>> 0.05% chance of seriously injuring you", they have taken an oath to your
>>> best interests at heart.
>>>
>>> When a public health professional says "this mandatory national health
>>> intervention will save most people's lives, but has a 0.05% chance of
>>> seriously injuring someone" it means they've decided that your negative
>>> outcome is acceptable to them.
>>>
>>> The hippocratic Oath is thousands of years old. "Public Health" was
>>> invented in the 1800s. It's underlying philosophy is openly and explicitly
>>> tyrannical.
>>>
>>> The 20th century was not exactly a ringing endorsement for government by
>>> highly centralized technocracy, in case anyone here wasn't paying
>>> attention.
>>>
>>
>> Public health measures, mainly sanitation and vaccines, have done more
>> good than all other medical treatments combined. I don’t want to live in a
>> country where this good is held in contempt.
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 3:29 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 07:39, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For me personally it's far far less than 1% (I'm 29 and healthy,) for
>>>>> young healthy people it's more likely they die of a car accident or drug
>>>>> overdose.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, why does nobody in the mainstream ever talk about obesity with
>>>>> this?  Pretty much every young person you see dying from this is obese.
>>>>> Yet of course we have this medically dubious "healthy at every size"
>>>>> movement that makes people feel good mentally at the expense of their
>>>>> physical health.  People have no issue criticizing drug addicts but
>>>>> criticizing food addition is a no-no, apparently.  Losing weight probably
>>>>> increases chances of survival more than a vax does
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If only you could reduce the risk of obesity by 90% at the cost of $20
>>>> and a sore arm for a day.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 3:08 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 06:40, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah, if you really get deep into internet communities you'll see
>>>>>>> even the vaxlovers are getting tired of this shit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm unvaxed and I still haven't gotten it.  I get enough sleep,
>>>>>>> don't stress much, and practice caloric restriction.  Same for my partner
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people haven’t had COVID and most people who have had COVID did
>>>>>> not get sick enough to end up in hospital. No-one denies that. But people
>>>>>> don’t like the idea that there is a 1% chance of dying from it, even though
>>>>>> it means there is a 99% chance of not dying from it. If 1% of planes
>>>>>> crashed and killed their passengers, even the healthy ones who eat well and
>>>>>> exercise, air travel would not be popular.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 12:34 AM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 12:05 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I keep hearing that the omicron variant looks and acts like a
>>>>>>>>> common cold.  If so, this is exactly what was predicted: eventually a
>>>>>>>>> killer-flu mutates into something more contagious and more benign.  What we
>>>>>>>>> still don’t know is if one brand of covid protects the catcher from the
>>>>>>>>> other brands.  If it does, then omicron is the end of this tragic nightmare.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ### There is immunological cross-reactivity between various Covid
>>>>>>>> variants, so an infection provides some protection against reinfection by
>>>>>>>> multiple other variants. However, the tragic nightmare is a godsend to
>>>>>>>> poseurs and power-grabbers, so I wouldn't be too optimistic that a mere
>>>>>>>> lack of lethality will end it ;(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafal
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