[ExI] covid or cold?

Sat Dec 25 00:03:02 UTC 2021

Sanitation is lovely.

Vaccines, when mature and properly tested over years, are great (though the
history there is a whole lot messier than the popular mythology records).

Public health measures were the stated justification at the time for the
Warsaw Ghettoes and the Holocaust. And the eugenics movement. And the
Tuskegee medical experiemtns.

Any contempt public health as an institution experiences is richly deserved.

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 4:58 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 09:38, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> What gets overlooked in all of these conversations is /the/ key
>> difference between doctors and public health professionals.
>>
>> When a doctor tells you "this treatment will save your life, but has a
>> 0.05% chance of seriously injuring you", they have taken an oath to your
>> best interests at heart.
>>
>> When a public health professional says "this mandatory national health
>> intervention will save most people's lives, but has a 0.05% chance of
>> seriously injuring someone" it means they've decided that your negative
>> outcome is acceptable to them.
>>
>> The hippocratic Oath is thousands of years old. "Public Health" was
>> invented in the 1800s. It's underlying philosophy is openly and explicitly
>> tyrannical.
>>
>> The 20th century was not exactly a ringing endorsement for government by
>> highly centralized technocracy, in case anyone here wasn't paying
>> attention.
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>
> Public health measures, mainly sanitation and vaccines, have done more
> good than all other medical treatments combined. I don’t want to live in a
> country where this good is held in contempt.
>
>
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 3:29 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 07:39, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>> For me personally it's far far less than 1% (I'm 29 and healthy,) for
>>>> young healthy people it's more likely they die of a car accident or drug
>>>> overdose.
>>>>
>>>> Also, why does nobody in the mainstream ever talk about obesity with
>>>> this?  Pretty much every young person you see dying from this is obese.
>>>> Yet of course we have this medically dubious "healthy at every size"
>>>> movement that makes people feel good mentally at the expense of their
>>>> physical health.  People have no issue criticizing drug addicts but
>>>> criticizing food addition is a no-no, apparently.  Losing weight probably
>>>> increases chances of survival more than a vax does
>>>>
>>>
>>> If only you could reduce the risk of obesity by 90% at the cost of $20
>>> and a sore arm for a day.
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>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 3:08 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 06:40, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah, if you really get deep into internet communities you'll see even
>>>>>> the vaxlovers are getting tired of this shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm unvaxed and I still haven't gotten it.  I get enough sleep, don't
>>>>>> stress much, and practice caloric restriction.  Same for my partner
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Most people haven’t had COVID and most people who have had COVID did
>>>>> not get sick enough to end up in hospital. No-one denies that. But people
>>>>> don’t like the idea that there is a 1% chance of dying from it, even though
>>>>> it means there is a 99% chance of not dying from it. If 1% of planes
>>>>> crashed and killed their passengers, even the healthy ones who eat well and
>>>>> exercise, air travel would not be popular.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 12:34 AM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 12:05 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I keep hearing that the omicron variant looks and acts like a
>>>>>>>> common cold.  If so, this is exactly what was predicted: eventually a
>>>>>>>> killer-flu mutates into something more contagious and more benign.  What we
>>>>>>>> still don’t know is if one brand of covid protects the catcher from the
>>>>>>>> other brands.  If it does, then omicron is the end of this tragic nightmare.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ### There is immunological cross-reactivity between various Covid
>>>>>>> variants, so an infection provides some protection against reinfection by
>>>>>>> multiple other variants. However, the tragic nightmare is a godsend to
>>>>>>> poseurs and power-grabbers, so I wouldn't be too optimistic that a mere
>>>>>>> lack of lethality will end it ;(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafal
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