[ExI] covid or cold?

Fri Dec 24 23:56:08 UTC 2021

On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 09:38, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> What gets overlooked in all of these conversations is /the/ key difference
> between doctors and public health professionals.
>
> When a doctor tells you "this treatment will save your life, but has a
> 0.05% chance of seriously injuring you", they have taken an oath to your
> best interests at heart.
>
> When a public health professional says "this mandatory national health
> intervention will save most people's lives, but has a 0.05% chance of
> seriously injuring someone" it means they've decided that your negative
> outcome is acceptable to them.
>
> The hippocratic Oath is thousands of years old. "Public Health" was
> invented in the 1800s. It's underlying philosophy is openly and explicitly
> tyrannical.
>
> The 20th century was not exactly a ringing endorsement for government by
> highly centralized technocracy, in case anyone here wasn't paying
> attention.
>

Public health measures, mainly sanitation and vaccines, have done more good
than all other medical treatments combined. I don’t want to live in a
country where this good is held in contempt.

> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 3:29 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 07:39, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> For me personally it's far far less than 1% (I'm 29 and healthy,) for
>>> young healthy people it's more likely they die of a car accident or drug
>>> overdose.
>>>
>>> Also, why does nobody in the mainstream ever talk about obesity with
>>> this?  Pretty much every young person you see dying from this is obese.
>>> Yet of course we have this medically dubious "healthy at every size"
>>> movement that makes people feel good mentally at the expense of their
>>> physical health.  People have no issue criticizing drug addicts but
>>> criticizing food addition is a no-no, apparently.  Losing weight probably
>>> increases chances of survival more than a vax does
>>>
>>
>> If only you could reduce the risk of obesity by 90% at the cost of $20
>> and a sore arm for a day.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 3:08 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 06:40, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nah, if you really get deep into internet communities you'll see even
>>>>> the vaxlovers are getting tired of this shit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm unvaxed and I still haven't gotten it.  I get enough sleep, don't
>>>>> stress much, and practice caloric restriction.  Same for my partner
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Most people haven’t had COVID and most people who have had COVID did
>>>> not get sick enough to end up in hospital. No-one denies that. But people
>>>> don’t like the idea that there is a 1% chance of dying from it, even though
>>>> it means there is a 99% chance of not dying from it. If 1% of planes
>>>> crashed and killed their passengers, even the healthy ones who eat well and
>>>> exercise, air travel would not be popular.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 12:34 AM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 12:05 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I keep hearing that the omicron variant looks and acts like a common
>>>>>>> cold.  If so, this is exactly what was predicted: eventually a killer-flu
>>>>>>> mutates into something more contagious and more benign.  What we still
>>>>>>> don’t know is if one brand of covid protects the catcher from the other
>>>>>>> brands.  If it does, then omicron is the end of this tragic nightmare.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ### There is immunological cross-reactivity between various Covid
>>>>>> variants, so an infection provides some protection against reinfection by
>>>>>> multiple other variants. However, the tragic nightmare is a godsend to
>>>>>> poseurs and power-grabbers, so I wouldn't be too optimistic that a mere
>>>>>> lack of lethality will end it ;(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafal
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