[ExI] vaccine dark humor

[Stathis Papaioannou]

On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 at 06:00, spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> *…*> *On Behalf Of *William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
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> >…Spike, in a way I feel sorry for our political leaders.  They have been
> pushed every possible way, have heard advice conflicting in every detail
> since this started, tried to make decisions nonpolitical (and failed), and
> are criticized by everyone as not being strong enough, being too weak,
> dithering, and so on.  No matter what they did, large groups were
> incensed.  Not to be overlooked is the fact that their decisions involved
> human lives possibly lost or possibly saved.  I did not and do not envy
> them.   bill w
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> This is a good thing Billw.  I worry about anyone who did and does envy
> political leaders.  Ideally that should be a job few people want.  If we
> reduce their power at every opportunity it helps to make the jobs less
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> Perhaps someone here knows or can suggest where I might go to find out: as
> I understand it, the reason pharmacists were allowed to distribute the
> vaccines is because of an emergency use authorization.  As I understand it,
> this requires that there is no known alternative treatment.  But we have
> had anti-viral meds since forever, and they were used in previous SARS
> pandemics.  We don’t know if they work, I get that.
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> It looks like we made a bunch of special-case exceptions for this
> particular vaccine technology, then after the fact found out that it
> doesn’t work as well as originally thought.  With any medication there are
> all the tests of safety and efficacy that cost half a billion dollars, but
> we don’t have that for this vaccine.  Now there is no incentive on the part
> of the manufacturer to do any of that, a strong disincentive in fact, for
> as it stands, they can sell all of it they can make while assuming no
> liability and while making no promises of efficacy.  Any testing they do
> can only harm their perfect position in the market.
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> So now… we still don’t have testing done under controlled conditions with
> systematic data collection, which is why after all this time the big
> picture is still muddled and chaotic, with pharmaceutical companies and
> politicians cheerfully wielding power without reasoning or accountability.
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What do you imagine more thorough earlier testing in a few thousand
subjects would have shown that is not evident by observing the effect of
almost 9 billion doses of vaccines given in 184 different countries?

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Stathis Papaioannou
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