[ExI] This is my last post to the Extropian List

Fri Feb 5 15:17:45 UTC 2021

From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> On Behalf Of William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
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Subject: Re: [ExI] This is my last post to the Extropian List

>…That's just not right.  If some libertarian in our group starts demanding a king for our country,that is not the same as endorsing the idea.   That is just letting serious ideas get to us for discussion and probably shaming!    bill w

Eh, it isn’t that simple BillW.  For starters, it isn’t our country.  This is an international forum.  The former moderator (me) repeatedly requested that posters refrain from campaigning for their particular country’s political leaders, for it was irrelevant and possibly insulting to those who do not follow that particular country’s political leaders.  To me that sounded reasonable.  This is a futurist forum, not a campaign site for any particular country.  There is no “our country.”

That being said, I am all in favor of a king, with unlimited power, no dissent allowed.  This assumes of course that I am elected to be king.  Otherwise, no deal.

If I start campaigning for election to king on this forum, that isn’t welcome and is irrelevant to many of our most valuable posters.

Face Book and Twitter are also international, so if they decide to censor one person for political reasons, they endorse everyone they didn’t censor.  This includes genocide, sexism, racism, the works.  So no Face Book and Twitter endorse those things.

spike

w

On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 8:45 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote:

From: Gordon Swobe <gordon.swobe at gmail.com <mailto:gordon.swobe at gmail.com> > 
Subject: Re: [ExI] This is my last post to the Extropian List

>…Thanks spike. I came back because I got sucked into the facebook nightmare and am trying to extricate myself from it…

Eh, it isn’t only FaceBook, Gordon.  It isn’t even just the social media in general.  In our day we are facing a very good question: how should a public forum be moderated, if at all?

Suppose we say that the usual social constraints, such as how one carries oneself at a party or public park, should be sufficient.  Then… what if they aren’t?  What if a person shows up on a forum such as Extropians and posts a lot of stuff that is insulting and drives away valuable contributors.  Then suppose that forum has a moderator who allows everything, but that moderator clearly sees that this policy is damaging that forum severely and tries to get the offender to stop, but the offender will not stop.

Social media in general are wrestling with that question, particularly FaceBook and Twitter.  When a mainstream medium decides it will filter content or block a user, it becomes a de facto endorsement of every post it allows to remain.  

Look at some of the vile garbage Face Book and Twitter suddenly endorsed, oh mercy: racism, sexism, genocide, the works.  If they are going to moderate content, then they must do it across the board.  Otherwise, that content is theirs to own.

spike

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 9:12 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote:

From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> > On Behalf Of Gordon Swobe via extropy-chat
Subject: Re: [ExI] This is my last post to the Extropian List

>…. I am surprised, but not too surprised, to see all the old familiar names here. You used to give me major grief for my heretical (by extropian standards) views on Strong AI and digital uploading of consciousness. You are actually one of the reasons I stopped participating here. Even so, I hate to see you go!

-gts 

Gts we are glad to see you back.

spike

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