[ExI] uncommon lols

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Fri Jul 2 19:56:27 UTC 2021

I know this one thing:  chickens won't lay as many eggs to rock as they
will to Mozart.  Draw your own conclusions.  I can't imagine getting grant
money to study this.   bill w

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:50 PM Dan TheBookMan via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Ben via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> On 01/07/2021 21:13, Dan TheBookMan wrote:
> Think of this: laughter is almost certainly an evolved behavior. And
> it seems fairly basic -- as humans do it at an early age and I don't
> know of a human culture without laughter. Humans share many other
> basic behaviors with other animals, especially with primates and other
> social animals. (Some of these could be shared primitive traits,
> others convergent evolution, still others simply things that
> regardless of evolution any social species would do.) So, I'd start
> from the position not of human exceptionalism here, but of what is the
> likely evolutionary path of the behavior.
> Which makes, to my mind, something else which I've posted about here
> before, even more mysterious: Music. You can say the same things about
> music as about laughter, in humans. But it seems much harder to conclude
> that other animals have a musical sense than it does to conclude that they
> have some form of laughter.
> --
> Ben Zaiboc
> I recall a discussion of rhythm, but I would also focus on melody. It
> seems that perceiving melodies is not widespread. The issue is perceiving
> melodies in different pitch ranges — as opposed to hearing a melody
> shifted, say, a half note as a completely different thing. In other words,
> many animals perceive the absolute pitch and the attention is there rather
> than the relative pitch between notes. (Think of this like playing a melody
> in the usual key on a piano and then shifting it to another key. You still,
> I trust, here the melody, though you might (or might not*) notice it’s now
> shifted. My guess is many animal species simply hear it as a different
> probably unrelated entity. An analogy might be with color. If I were to
> show there ‘colors’ on the spectrum separated by a certain frequency, then
> shift the spectrum of the three, I doubt most people would see the before
> and after shift as related. They wouldn’t perceive a color melody.)
> Anyhow, see:
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5479468/
> Regards,
> Dan
> * Think of playing any beginner’s melody to someone (who doesn’t have
> perfect pitch) one day starting at middle C they playing it an hour later
> starting at C# above middle C. Would they recognize them as the same
> melody? Very likely. Would they recognize the shift? Not so likely.
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