[ExI] ufos and gentle things was: RE: Optical illusion tricks you into seeing different colors

[William Flynn Wallace]

There is nothing new about 'eff the ineffable'.   bill w

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:51 AM Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Fri, May 21, 2021, 11:39 AM <spike at rainier66.com> wrote:
>
>> Everything Brent has been thinking about for at least a coupla decades
>> makes perfect sense in this context: he already knew we don’t have existing
>> words for some concepts, so he invented them.  This is Brentish NewSpeak.
>> Well OK, fair game.  How the heck else can you describe a difficult new
>> concept other than coining terms for it?
>>
> You know... after suggesting 'eff the ineffable' is a source of confusion
> and frustration (it is for me) i realized it absolutely is "on brand" for
> Brentish NewSpeak.  I also felt like a hypocrite using Heinlein's made up
> word 'grok' and not Brent's made up word 'eff'... still, I'd be (and have
> been) more likely to say 'eff this' in the common colloquial usage/context
> of eff.  So perhaps that expression still encourages the smartass to remain
> unconvinced.
>
>> If you have never read Orwell’s classic, do read the sections on
>> NewSpeak, and see how such a concept can go wrong.  Then figure out how
>> such a concept can go right.  If you are in that category, please why the
>> heck haven’t you read Orwell’s classic?  Unacceptable!  Go the heck to the
>> library, note the date which it was written, check it out and read it!
>> That man was the prophet among us.  He saw it all.
>>
> We have jargon that becomes both the good and bad... saves time for those
> of the in-group, but is a barrier to entry for those in the out-group.
>
> I work in medical terms and programmer terms; sometimes those two groups
> have serious problems getting past their respective jargon to understand
> each other.  I've coined the phrase "words are hard" to acknowledge the
> problem.  It amuses me how often it gets used.
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