[ExI] data coming

[Darin Sunley]

Wrinkle: someone whose unvaccinated status rests on (to their mind
legitimate) concerns about its long-term safety is on ethically dicey
ground if they incentivize someone else to take it.

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:27 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> An interesting discussion took place in this forum a few months ago when
> someone questioned my assertion that the US government does not have the
> authority to compel anyone to take a vaccine.  Turns out this is true: the
> US constitution Amendment 4 insures that no one may be compelled to turn
> over their medical records, and it isn’t much of a surprise that vaccines
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> However… the Occupational Safety and Health bureaucracy can require
> companies to require its employees to produce proof of vaccination.
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> The company is not required to verify the proof is genuine, only that the
> employee has proof of vaccination.
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> In the USA, the supply of the covid vaccine is not a problem: anyone can
> get a vax at any location offering them, at no cost, even if the person has
> no health insurance.  The process requires no photo ID (they didn’t ask for
> mine.)  This last part is important, for they cannot demand photo ID.  If a
> teenage junky shows up claiming to be John Smith, birthdate 2-28-50, she
> gets the vaccination and a vaccination proof card like this one:
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> OK then, we know that in the USA if anyone needs proof of vaccination,
> they can hire a teenage junky to get that, and as far as I can tell there
> would be no practical repercussions for doing that.  These are not photo ID
> and they are not currency, so even if it violates the spirit of the
> requirement, there are no laws broken there.  The state legislatures have
> not passed any laws with regard to requiring that proof of vaccine must be
> proof that the person whose name is on the proof of vaccine card is the
> person who took the vaccine.
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> I learned yesterday that a vaccine card like this one, like the one I
> received, can be used to enter the vaccine into one’s medical record.
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> With all that, if we hear anyone say they suffered adverse health effects
> from the vaccine they were forced to take in order to keep their job, I
> would say to the contrary, no one is forced to take the vaccine in order to
> keep their job.  They are only required to have proof of having taken the
> vaccine, which is not required to be genuine, and cannot be, for companies
> are not required to verify (and cannot verify in any case) that the card is
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> OK.  Once I let that sink in, I have a conjecture I will share in my next
> post, some interesting data I think will come out of all this.
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> Commentary welcome.
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> spike
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