[ExI] , question for Max or anyone

[William Flynn Wallace]

We could create an app to alert the next of kin in a heart emergency, but
not to alert anyone likely to be of any real assistance, for that would put
the device in a new and unaffordable category.

spike
I was looking forward to finding out how my Apple watch and my
iPhone could partner and call 911   Now you say it can't be done?
  bill w


On Sun, Sep 5, 2021 at 2:29 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> ...> On Behalf Of BillK via extropy-chat
> Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [ExI] , question for Max or anyone
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> On Sun, 5 Sept 2021 at 18:47, spike jones via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >
> ...
> >
> > If Moore’s law drove the price of the watch all the way down to free, we
> still couldn’t afford one which was med-qualified.
> >
> > spike
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> That claim sounds odd to me. It is the model that is certified, not every
> device. If Fitbit are selling 10 million devices each year, the med
> qualification cost can be covered by only adding a small amount to the cost
> of each individual device...BillK
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> BillK, on the contrary sir.
>
> To have a med-certified device, the suppliers of the components must also
> be certified by some standard such as ISO9000 for high-reliability devices,
> a very general class of certification to which FitBit does not conform.
> The manufacturing process itself must be controlled, and there are multiple
> costs involved.
>
> During the impressive rise of FitBit, a patient came in with
> fibrillation.  The treatment for that differs based on how long the
> fibrillation has been going on.  He was one who had an app which would take
> periodic readings from his FitBit and archive it using his phone.  Upon his
> arrival at the ER, the doctors downloaded his FitBit file and made a
> decision based on that data, assuming it to be accurate (the patient didn't
> know or couldn't tell the medics how long the condition had been present.)
>
> Afterwards, a very logical question arose: if a consumer-level device is
> used by doctors, then it becomes a defacto medical instrument, and as such
> would require med-certification.  FitBit steadfastly maintains that the
> device is accurate but its reliability is not sufficient to be used in this
> manner.
>
> The watch nor the phone manufacturers may not be sued for practicing
> medicine without a license, for they are intended as consumer-level
> devices.  They cannot be sued if they fail.  They are accurate and
> reliable, but not certified.  Likewise, if people have life-sustaining
> equipment in their home, the equipment itself is med-certified but the
> power to drive it is not.  If the power fails and the patient dies, it
> cannot sue the power company posthumously.
>
> FitBit is a consumer-level manufacturer and will stay that way.
>
> We could create an app to alert the next of kin in a heart emergency, but
> not to alert anyone likely to be of any real assistance, for that would put
> the device in a new and unaffordable category.
>
> spike
>
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