[ExI] wicked

[Stathis Papaioannou]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 at 16:16, Anton Sherwood via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> A suggestion, at least, has been made that self-awareness appears when a
> mental model of the world, and behavior consequent to that model,
> becomes complex enough that it must take itself into account.
> Then it's an inevitable consequence of agency + increasing brainpower.
>
> But maybe some of you are thinking "that's not what I mean by
> consciousness / sapience / sentience."
>
> On 2021-9-26 16:37, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat wrote:
> > I'll bet neurologists could tell us several places in the brain
> > which, if deadened, would lead to loss of consciousness.
>
> You appear to have switched from one definition of 'consciousness'
> (associated with self-awareness; what a philosophical zombie lacks) to
> another (responsiveness to stimuli).


What you are describing is sometimes called the distinction between access
consciousness (responsiveness to stimuli) and phenomenal consciousness
(what a philosophical zombie lacks). There is an argument that they are the
same thing, and philosophical zombies are impossible:

https://philarchive.org/archive/MCDTOA

https://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/dennett/papers/unzombie.htm

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Stathis Papaioannou
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