[ExI] wicked

[Darin Sunley]

Obligatory p-Zombie humor:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/fsDz6HieZJBu54Yes/zombies-the-movie

On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 1:26 AM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 at 16:16, Anton Sherwood via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> A suggestion, at least, has been made that self-awareness appears when a
>> mental model of the world, and behavior consequent to that model,
>> becomes complex enough that it must take itself into account.
>> Then it's an inevitable consequence of agency + increasing brainpower.
>>
>> But maybe some of you are thinking "that's not what I mean by
>> consciousness / sapience / sentience."
>>
>> On 2021-9-26 16:37, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat wrote:
>> > I'll bet neurologists could tell us several places in the brain
>> > which, if deadened, would lead to loss of consciousness.
>>
>> You appear to have switched from one definition of 'consciousness'
>> (associated with self-awareness; what a philosophical zombie lacks) to
>> another (responsiveness to stimuli).
>
>
> What you are describing is sometimes called the distinction between access
> consciousness (responsiveness to stimuli) and phenomenal consciousness
> (what a philosophical zombie lacks). There is an argument that they are the
> same thing, and philosophical zombies are impossible:
>
> https://philarchive.org/archive/MCDTOA
>
> https://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/dennett/papers/unzombie.htm
>
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> Stathis Papaioannou
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