[ExI] bee having fun

Sat Apr 30 14:18:07 UTC 2022

…> On Behalf Of William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
Subject: Re: [ExI] bee having fun

>…My legal team has disputed the use of 'right' to refer to using the internet, or for that matter, highways…

I hold that everyone has a right to use the internet.  The highways are public domain.  They have rules there, but one cannot be banned from using the highways.  One can be banned from driving on them, but one can always ride and one can have items brought to them using those highways.  I don’t know of any legal structure that would allow the US government to ban anyone from the internet.

>…Oh I wanted to fly a plane so badly.  Two problems:  deaf in one ear and too tall (though not too tall now I think).

They don’t let tall guys fly fighter jets because we can’t pull enough Gs.  In the movie Top Gun, Goose wouldn’t be allowed: too tall.  Most of those actors playing the roles were too tall to be actual fighter jocks.

Fun aside on that: when the Mercury crews were being chosen, they looked among military fighter pilots because they already had a maximum height requirement of 5 ft 9 inches (BillK that’s 175 cm.)  The Mercury capsule was tiny (which is what is thought to have led to Gus Grissom’s nearly fatal claustrophobia attack (after he landed in the water and might have blown the hatch to escape.))  After the F18, the height restriction was relaxed.

>…Yes, I know about DARPA. Even me.  I recently read that many countries are trying to imitate it…

The actual DARPA guys are a hell of a lotta fun if you get a chance to go to lunch with them and talk wacky ideas.  There might be DARPA funds in some cryonics research.

>…And Good Morning to you!  We are having beautiful days here - a dry spell after much rain.  How are you on gardening?  Flowers and such?  love  from roz and bill

Bill, I don’t know if you intended to address this note to ExI, but I am assuming you did and included the cheery greeting just to be human (and thanks for that sir.)  All is well here, health is good.  

My idea of gardening is looking at photos of your flowers on the internet and videos of other people pulling weeds.  I am more of a machine person than a flower person.  I could see building a robot which recognizes and pulls weeds.

spike

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 7:31 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote:

…> On Behalf Of William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
Subject: Re: [ExI] bee having fun

>…There is an interesting extension being made that speech in our world today isn’t done primarily by the voice but the words we post on the internet.  We paid for that, so we have a right to it.  spike

>…I don't get this.  Whadda mean, we paid for it?  The internet? 

Ja.  The internet grew out of the US Department of Defense as a project to facilitate electronic communications should the commies nuke the place.  The ARPANET, Advanced Research Projects Agency NETwork it was.

>From what I can tell, the federal government does not have the authority to keep any particular individual from using that system.  Modern speech requires use of the internet.  So… using the internet is modern right to free speech.   

>…We paid for fighter jets too, but don't have the right to fly them. bill w

Billw, you paid for the jets, you have the right to be protected by them.  You also had the right to join the service and compete with skerjillions of others for the assignment to fly those planes.  Did you try for that duty?  Neither did I.  They still cover our asses.  Life is good.

spike

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On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 4:42 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> > wrote:

…> On Behalf Of William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
Subject: Re: [ExI] bee having fun

>>…Billw, we have a constitutional right to free speech.  So we don’t need to move.  They do.    spike

>…AGreed,   - do you or anyone think that an abridgement of free speech will happen here?

Depends on how you look at it.  The right to free speech means the federal government cannot prosecute citizens for their speech.  There is an interesting extension being made that speech in our world today isn’t done primarily by the voice but the words we post on the internet.  We paid for that, so we have a right to it.

>…  Does the government have a right to examine the algorithms?   Should they?    bill w

If it doesn’t say so in the constitution, the government does not have the right.  So no to both questions.

The more interesting part to me is that Musk is buying Twitter at enormous cost saying nothing about modifying or changing the filtering algorithms.  He is only saying he will make them public domain.  It has become the biggest debate topic in some time, which is remarkable in itself.

Is there a legitimate reason, or even a logical illegitimate reason for stopping a guy from buying social media in order to make its filtering algorithm public?  

Plenty of the public seem to think it is a bad thing.  Is it a bad thing for a social medium to tell them something?  How can it be argued that it is a bad thing for a company deciding to now offer you something which it didn’t give you before?  The company is not forcing you to look at the filtering algorithms, ja?  So… making those algorithms public cannot possibly harm anyone, ja?  But it can certainly satisfy some long-standing curiosity so some can benefit.  So… why is there any debate?

spike

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