[ExI] control of the narrative: was: RE: chinese fires, was:RE: book review

Sat Dec 3 17:31:54 UTC 2022

I cannot possibly respond to all of that.  All I ask is: read that data and
tell me what you find.   I realize that it is highly unpopular to diss any
group, esp. that one, but look at the data - look at the data and tell me
that our two 'racial' groups are the same.  You can do the same with IQ
data - tell me all of that is false.

I do not let politics and PC determine my views.

bill w

On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 8:45 AM Henry Rivera via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Mr. Wallace, I have to agree with Will. You are coming across racist asf.
> It’s embarrassing and cringe-worthy. If I was a moderator, I’d say it has
> no place here and you’d be warned. I welcome free speech and promote
> tolerance. Hate speech can fuck off however. I have similar disdain for
> promoting ignorance, which you are doing.
>
> Briefly, you appear to conflate the correlation of poverty and race (which
> is a social construct mind you) and arrive as a causal connection between
> something you see inherent in people of a certain complexion and behaviors
> you find abhorrent.  And you do this generalizing to an entire
> socially-defined yet scientifically invalid class inaccurately, unfairly,
> and inconsistent with data noting exceptions. Perhaps you’ve been in the
> South too long.  I patently reject your logic and conclusions. You’re
> perspective may be too limited to be able to form a valid and data-based
> opinion and certainly is too limited to arrive at the broad conclusions you
> did. I can state this because it’s self-evident to me they are wrong and
> based on my diverse social and cultural experiences with people of other
> cultures and who have been systematically disadvantaged.  As a minority I
> have been at the receiving end of such gross and inaccurate
> generalizations. Also, you neglect the contribution of oppression, how
> people respond to being oppressed, and how they respond to a history of
> oppression in your oversimple analysis.
>
> If you want to expand your mind at all, perhaps read Ta-Nehisi Coates‘
> Between the World and Me. If not, please propagate your drivel elsewhere.
> It will be welcomed on white nationalist forums and Trump’s social media
> platform I’m sure. I will actively resist it here however if it’s
> tolerated and eventually send your veiled hate right to junk mail. If the
> groupthink ends up supporting your promotion of hate and ignorance here,
> I’m outta here in a heartbeat. I’m not inclined to argue with you because
> it does not appear you are open to change or alternative perspectives.
>
> On Dec 3, 2022, at 8:10 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> 
> Jeez, Will, I didn't know you made the rules for what Negroes are called.
> bill w
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:36 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Jeez Mr. Crow, you'd think someone on a science list would know what
>> omitted variable bias is...
>>
>> Also look I know you're like 80 or something but I don't think it is hard
>> to understand what I said.  Black as an adjective is fine, black as a noun
>> is not.  Should I say it a third time or do you get it now
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 4:52 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 3:30 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also whose morals are you referring to?  I think you are talking about
>>>> poor people in general.  The color of your skin doesn't change your morals
>>>> or behavior.   Your economic and living situation does.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Will, would you like to take a look at the statistics on unwed mothers,
>>> often very young, abortions?  Then tell me race does not matter.
>>>
>>> Prostitution beginning at age nine or so is rampant.  Look at the
>>> statistics.  I have known about black prostitution since the 50s, working
>>> with black men.  "Oh yeah, I am going to buy me something from her this
>>> weekend  They'll all do it, even the married ones."
>>> Children tell.  Children tell parents about what other children brag
>>> about on the playground, or even see.  It was a significantpart of white
>>> flight to suburbs and creating all white schools.
>>>
>>> I wish you were right, Will, and that skin color doesn't matter. But we
>>> are talking about different cultures here, and sexual mores are different
>>> and have been for a long time.  Ask a sociologist.  These things don't make
>>> the news for obvious reasons.  bill w
>>>
>>> Blacks - that is what I read they wanted - capitalization. Now it's back
>>> to blacks?  Will someone please take charge and tell me what's PC?  bill w
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 4:22 PM Will Steinberg <steinberg.will at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lol dude 'black' as an adjective is ok.  'Blacks' is not considered
>>>>> ok.  You should say 'black people'.  Just letting you know
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 2:10 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I will admit to forgetting to use 'Blacks'.  But you did it yourself
>>>>>> Will.  I do admit to some bias (NOT prejudice) against Blacks:  I strongly
>>>>>> condemn their morals, and I don't want to get any flak about welfare
>>>>>> causing men to abandon their lovers and children.  So if that makes me
>>>>>> racist, to that extent I am racist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I deal with a lot of Blacks, mostly working for me.  I treat them
>>>>>> like friends.  I feed them, I let them in the house to use the bathroom,
>>>>>> and so on - I'll bet not a lot of white people in the South go that far.
>>>>>> bill w
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 12:59 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From what I have gathered, WFW William is one of those 'southern
>>>>>>> boomer' liberals whose heart seeks mostly in the right place but also says
>>>>>>> things like 'blacks' and generally doesn't know he is being implicitly or
>>>>>>> explicitly racist or racist-adjacent some of the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I try to remind myself that much of this list is in the 60-80 age
>>>>>>> bracket.   It comes with the territory I guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think he means to just point to the fact that intra-group murder
>>>>>>> rates are super high for poor black ghettoized city dwellers and that
>>>>>>> nobody seems to care, and that that is sad and fucked up, but the language
>>>>>>> is all bungled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WFW, correct me if I'm wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 1:33 PM Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 10:08 AM William Flynn Wallace via
>>>>>>>> extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Four young people slain with a gun on the south side of Chicago,
>>>>>>>>> doesn't even make the news ever. spike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And why not?  No story there - just black gang members, in or out
>>>>>>>>> of prison, killing one another.  I suspect that data will show that
>>>>>>>>> killings other than domestic ones are overwhelmingly black and have no
>>>>>>>>> ideological agenda at all.  No news is not good news.  bill w
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You give spike for being a goofy kind of narrow-view that irritates
>>>>>>>> you... then you make this commentary that has no other quality than to
>>>>>>>> value signal your racism?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next time you think to post such, don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There,  one of us said it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If nobody else corrects me for overstepping the bounds of
>>>>>>>> etiquette,  you may assume we're all in agreement.
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