[ExI] control of the narrative: was: RE: chinese fires, was:RE: book review

Sat Dec 3 18:43:04 UTC 2022

Like I said already (starting to thing that getting older doesn't just make
your hearing worse, but your listening too,) I'm not sure why you are
ignoring the vast omitted variable bias.

I could cut off the right hand of every person with red hair
and you'd be the first one to say "People with red hair only have left
hands!  IT'S SCIENCE!!!".  Embarrassing for someone on a science list to be
so ignorant of statistics.   How's that for a slam against your
intelligence?

On Sat, Dec 3, 2022, 12:34 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I cannot possibly respond to all of that.  All I ask is: read that data
> and tell me what you find.   I realize that it is highly unpopular to diss
> any group, esp. that one, but look at the data - look at the data and tell
> me that our two 'racial' groups are the same.  You can do the same with IQ
> data - tell me all of that is false.
>
> I do not let politics and PC determine my views.
>
> bill w
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 8:45 AM Henry Rivera via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Mr. Wallace, I have to agree with Will. You are coming across racist asf.
>> It’s embarrassing and cringe-worthy. If I was a moderator, I’d say it has
>> no place here and you’d be warned. I welcome free speech and promote
>> tolerance. Hate speech can fuck off however. I have similar disdain for
>> promoting ignorance, which you are doing.
>>
>> Briefly, you appear to conflate the correlation of poverty and race
>> (which is a social construct mind you) and arrive as a causal connection
>> between something you see inherent in people of a certain complexion and
>> behaviors you find abhorrent.  And you do this generalizing to an entire
>> socially-defined yet scientifically invalid class inaccurately, unfairly,
>> and inconsistent with data noting exceptions. Perhaps you’ve been in the
>> South too long.  I patently reject your logic and conclusions. You’re
>> perspective may be too limited to be able to form a valid and data-based
>> opinion and certainly is too limited to arrive at the broad conclusions you
>> did. I can state this because it’s self-evident to me they are wrong and
>> based on my diverse social and cultural experiences with people of other
>> cultures and who have been systematically disadvantaged.  As a minority I
>> have been at the receiving end of such gross and inaccurate
>> generalizations. Also, you neglect the contribution of oppression, how
>> people respond to being oppressed, and how they respond to a history of
>> oppression in your oversimple analysis.
>>
>> If you want to expand your mind at all, perhaps read Ta-Nehisi Coates‘
>> Between the World and Me. If not, please propagate your drivel elsewhere.
>> It will be welcomed on white nationalist forums and Trump’s social media
>> platform I’m sure. I will actively resist it here however if it’s
>> tolerated and eventually send your veiled hate right to junk mail. If the
>> groupthink ends up supporting your promotion of hate and ignorance here,
>> I’m outta here in a heartbeat. I’m not inclined to argue with you because
>> it does not appear you are open to change or alternative perspectives.
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 8:10 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Jeez, Will, I didn't know you made the rules for what Negroes are
>> called.  bill w
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 4:36 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeez Mr. Crow, you'd think someone on a science list would know what
>>> omitted variable bias is...
>>>
>>> Also look I know you're like 80 or something but I don't think it is
>>> hard to understand what I said.  Black as an adjective is fine, black as a
>>> noun is not.  Should I say it a third time or do you get it now
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 4:52 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 3:30 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also whose morals are you referring to?  I think you are talking about
>>>>> poor people in general.  The color of your skin doesn't change your morals
>>>>> or behavior.   Your economic and living situation does.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will, would you like to take a look at the statistics on unwed mothers,
>>>> often very young, abortions?  Then tell me race does not matter.
>>>>
>>>> Prostitution beginning at age nine or so is rampant.  Look at the
>>>> statistics.  I have known about black prostitution since the 50s, working
>>>> with black men.  "Oh yeah, I am going to buy me something from her this
>>>> weekend  They'll all do it, even the married ones."
>>>> Children tell.  Children tell parents about what other children brag
>>>> about on the playground, or even see.  It was a significantpart of white
>>>> flight to suburbs and creating all white schools.
>>>>
>>>> I wish you were right, Will, and that skin color doesn't matter. But we
>>>> are talking about different cultures here, and sexual mores are different
>>>> and have been for a long time.  Ask a sociologist.  These things don't make
>>>> the news for obvious reasons.  bill w
>>>>
>>>> Blacks - that is what I read they wanted - capitalization. Now it's
>>>> back to blacks?  Will someone please take charge and tell me what's PC?
>>>> bill w
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 4:22 PM Will Steinberg <steinberg.will at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lol dude 'black' as an adjective is ok.  'Blacks' is not considered
>>>>>> ok.  You should say 'black people'.  Just letting you know
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 2:10 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will admit to forgetting to use 'Blacks'.  But you did it yourself
>>>>>>> Will.  I do admit to some bias (NOT prejudice) against Blacks:  I strongly
>>>>>>> condemn their morals, and I don't want to get any flak about welfare
>>>>>>> causing men to abandon their lovers and children.  So if that makes me
>>>>>>> racist, to that extent I am racist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I deal with a lot of Blacks, mostly working for me.  I treat them
>>>>>>> like friends.  I feed them, I let them in the house to use the bathroom,
>>>>>>> and so on - I'll bet not a lot of white people in the South go that far.
>>>>>>> bill w
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 12:59 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From what I have gathered, WFW William is one of those 'southern
>>>>>>>> boomer' liberals whose heart seeks mostly in the right place but also says
>>>>>>>> things like 'blacks' and generally doesn't know he is being implicitly or
>>>>>>>> explicitly racist or racist-adjacent some of the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I try to remind myself that much of this list is in the 60-80 age
>>>>>>>> bracket.   It comes with the territory I guess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think he means to just point to the fact that intra-group murder
>>>>>>>> rates are super high for poor black ghettoized city dwellers and that
>>>>>>>> nobody seems to care, and that that is sad and fucked up, but the language
>>>>>>>> is all bungled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WFW, correct me if I'm wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 1:33 PM Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <
>>>>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022, 10:08 AM William Flynn Wallace via
>>>>>>>>> extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Four young people slain with a gun on the south side of Chicago,
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't even make the news ever. spike
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And why not?  No story there - just black gang members, in or out
>>>>>>>>>> of prison, killing one another.  I suspect that data will show that
>>>>>>>>>> killings other than domestic ones are overwhelmingly black and have no
>>>>>>>>>> ideological agenda at all.  No news is not good news.  bill w
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You give spike for being a goofy kind of narrow-view that
>>>>>>>>> irritates you... then you make this commentary that has no other quality
>>>>>>>>> than to value signal your racism?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Next time you think to post such, don't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There,  one of us said it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If nobody else corrects me for overstepping the bounds of
>>>>>>>>> etiquette,  you may assume we're all in agreement.
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