[ExI] commies vs marxists was: RE: chinese fires, was:RE: book review

[Will Steinberg]

I think we're at an impasse regarding the political stuff.  I'm not left
wing or right wing, and while I agree with some of what you are saying, I
disagree highly with some of the other stuff, and with the presentation in
general.  So I think I will refrain from discussing it now.

As for geopolitics, that's different.  Taiwan has a lot of defense itself
and a lot of allies that will defend it.  It is about 100x more important
to the global economy than Ukraine, and to US/NATO hegemony, too.  I think
an invasion will result in the Fujian coast getting glassed to oblivion,
and more.  It's a war of attrition that the CCP can't afford, especially
with the fact that places like Xinjiang, Tibet, and Inner Mongolia are
practically not even China anymore.

You can tell when power is real and when it's not.  China does not have
true sway over its citizens and land in that regard.

Say what you will about Russia, I'm not a fan of their government, but it
appears that they're far more adept at retaining control over persons*m^2
than China is--the latter never went through a massive secession scenario
like Russia did after the fall of the Soviet Union.

That is coming for China.  The big reason it hasn't happened already is the
nukes, I think.  There are a lot of angry non-Han ethnic groups in China.
And Hong Kong is angry too.  And now even the mainland Han citizens are
angry enough that they are showing it in public despite consequences.  That
energy is not possible to tamp down, and it's not possible for China to
become North Korea.  It has too many borders with other countries; its land
is too vast and its West is divided by mountains.  When NATO decides to arm
the Uyghurs and Tibetans, it's over.



On Mon, Dec 5, 2022, 5:07 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
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> >…An optimistic scenario is that China will lose the war with Taiwan.
> Also, a realistic one.  They're going to get annihilated when they try.
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> >…Alao: for the love of God please stop imbibing news from whatever echo
> chamber you're in or just go to /pol/ so you can at least get it
> undigested.  It is at least interesting to see how things trickle down to
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> >…On a related note, didn't we make another list for politics as to
> facilitate this one to discuss science and transhumanism instead of vapid
> mass media punditripe?  This is as bad as John K Clark's Trump derangement,
> albeit presented with an avuncular "aw shucks" façade.   But just as toxic
> and just as irritating to listen to.  I'm also not a fan of a list admin
> displaying political bias…
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> Will, I am not a list admin.  Haven’t been for a coupla years or more.
> That is ExiMod, but I am not ExiMod.  I will give you that much information
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> I will freely offer that I have never heard anyone suggest Taiwan would
> defeat China.  I get a lotta stuff from a lotta sources, never heard that
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> No I have no intention of stopping my imbibing in either Reason or
> Slashdot.  Or Astronomy for that matter, or Nature or Physical Review
> Letter, any of that stuff.  Oh the Babylon Bee, that one is really funny,
> but it isn’t a news site, it is fake news and parody.
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> I only ask for clarity and openness on some really weird stories I heard,
> and I gave some examples which keep pointing back to the FBI doing really
> fishy stuff, such as… why do we still not know what is on the infamous
> laptop after they already fired a guy for slow-walking the investigation?
> Who replaced that guy and why isn’t there any word about that still?  How
> long does it take to determine if the content on that machine is fake or
> forged?  Couldn’t they just contact the people who appear to have written
> it and ask?  Did they?  What was the result?
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> That hammer attack business, the FBI report is weird.  I don’t understand
> how someone got into that area unnoticed and broke into that particular
> house using only a hammer.  It makes no sense to me that would by
> physically possible to do, considering the circumstances.  Regarding echo
> chambers, do you know any which have an answer to some pretty obvious
> questions?  Such as… why didn’t they just release the body cam video?  Let
> us determine if the FBI report agrees with what we see.
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> Regarding US politics on the ExI list, while not encouraged, it isn’t
> forbidden.  We asked that posters refrain from personal insult, be civil,
> which this discussion has been, so I wouldn’t consider any of it out of
> line were I a list admin.  On John’s list, personal insult is allowed.  We
> imbibed in it for a while, all in good fun.  I haven’t been there in about
> the past year, so I don’t know how it is now.
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