[ExI] enough time has passed...

[William Flynn Wallace]

Jail is bad enough, I think the Supreme Court needs to decide that solitary
confinement is cruel and unusual punishment.  Psychologically it just a
terrible thing to do to a person.  bill w

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 1:29 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 1:37 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> The only problem I have with the 'tough on crime' attitude is that
>> draconian measures are often used, such as the three and out.
>>
>> Three felonies of any kind means life in prison.  Some third crimes are
>> ridiculous in nature but judges hands are tied in most places.  Drug crimes
>> are the worst.  Small amounts of something put people away for life and
>> that's just wrong.  Crimes against people, and to a much lesser extent,
>> property, should be the focus - not victimless crimes.  (please don't tell
>> me that there aren't such - I am aware of the argument)
>>
>> This also costs billions of dollars to taxpayers, millions of whom are
>> committing the little crimes that are putting people in jail for life.
>>
>> Does anyone know what is happening in Colorado?  Now that pot is legal,
>> what about the people in jail for simply possessing it?  Should they be set
>> free?
>>
>> Tough on crime can mean swatting flies with hammers.  bill w
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 12:16 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> *…*> *On Behalf Of *William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
>>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] enough time has passed...
>>>
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>>>
>>> >…Tribal fear conditioning:  just what did you have in mind here?  It
>>> is my belief that xenophobia is innate.  Perhaps only the directions of the
>>> fears are determined by social conditioning.  Is that what you meant?  bill
>>> w
>>>
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>>> Billw, ja you and I agree on this.  You are right.  It is clear to me
>>> that xenophobia is innate, but can be suppressed and controlled, just as we
>>> can learn to control negative emotions such as anger and fear.  Xenophobia
>>> is a negative emotion that societal evolution has placed in human kind (and
>>> every other kind for that matter.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Over time, our lives have become safer (by a lot.)  The notion of
>>> treating everyone as equals has a chance to grow into reality if we can
>>> maintain a safe society, where fear is low and trust is high.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A society which is soft on crime results in more crime, which results in
>>> more fear and distrust, which results in reduced acceptance of those less
>>> similar which results in crackdowns on crime.  This notion is in harmony
>>> with Pinker, Dawkins, Geoffrey Miller and to a large extent even Nicholas
>>> Christakis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Billw, I have very little cognitive dissonance on the topic of human
>>> nature.  It is clear enough to me how we got to be the way we are, and
>>> where we are going from here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> spike
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> Yeah tough on crime isn't something I like in its current incarnation.  I
> think jail is torture and that the government shouldn't be allowed to
> execute people.
>
> Mostly need to focus on education and reducing poverty. For crimes focus
> on rehabilitation not retribution.  Bloodthirst solves nothing.
>
> Perhaps no jail, replace with some kind of financial outcast system.  But
> castes have their own issues
>
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