[ExI] enough time has passed...

[Stathis Papaioannou]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 09:00, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Jail is bad enough, I think the Supreme Court needs to decide that
> solitary confinement is cruel and unusual punishment.  Psychologically it
> just a terrible thing to do to a person.  bill w
>

Killing them is also cruel, if not unusual. More cruel than solitary
confinement or a botched execution attempt causing a sore arm where the
injection leaked out.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 1:29 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 1:37 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The only problem I have with the 'tough on crime' attitude is that
>>> draconian measures are often used, such as the three and out.
>>>
>>> Three felonies of any kind means life in prison.  Some third crimes are
>>> ridiculous in nature but judges hands are tied in most places.  Drug crimes
>>> are the worst.  Small amounts of something put people away for life and
>>> that's just wrong.  Crimes against people, and to a much lesser extent,
>>> property, should be the focus - not victimless crimes.  (please don't tell
>>> me that there aren't such - I am aware of the argument)
>>>
>>> This also costs billions of dollars to taxpayers, millions of whom are
>>> committing the little crimes that are putting people in jail for life.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what is happening in Colorado?  Now that pot is legal,
>>> what about the people in jail for simply possessing it?  Should they be set
>>> free?
>>>
>>> Tough on crime can mean swatting flies with hammers.  bill w
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 12:16 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> *…*> *On Behalf Of *William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] enough time has passed...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >…Tribal fear conditioning:  just what did you have in mind here?  It
>>>> is my belief that xenophobia is innate.  Perhaps only the directions of the
>>>> fears are determined by social conditioning.  Is that what you meant?  bill
>>>> w
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Billw, ja you and I agree on this.  You are right.  It is clear to me
>>>> that xenophobia is innate, but can be suppressed and controlled, just as we
>>>> can learn to control negative emotions such as anger and fear.  Xenophobia
>>>> is a negative emotion that societal evolution has placed in human kind (and
>>>> every other kind for that matter.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Over time, our lives have become safer (by a lot.)  The notion of
>>>> treating everyone as equals has a chance to grow into reality if we can
>>>> maintain a safe society, where fear is low and trust is high.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A society which is soft on crime results in more crime, which results
>>>> in more fear and distrust, which results in reduced acceptance of those
>>>> less similar which results in crackdowns on crime.  This notion is in
>>>> harmony with Pinker, Dawkins, Geoffrey Miller and to a large extent even
>>>> Nicholas Christakis.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Billw, I have very little cognitive dissonance on the topic of human
>>>> nature.  It is clear enough to me how we got to be the way we are, and
>>>> where we are going from here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> spike
>>>>
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>> Yeah tough on crime isn't something I like in its current incarnation.  I
>> think jail is torture and that the government shouldn't be allowed to
>> execute people.
>>
>> Mostly need to focus on education and reducing poverty. For crimes focus
>> on rehabilitation not retribution.  Bloodthirst solves nothing.
>>
>> Perhaps no jail, replace with some kind of financial outcast system.  But
>> castes have their own issues
>>
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