[ExI] enough time has passed...

[William Flynn Wallace]

I don't think that dying of a drug or a gunshot is cruel.  Gets it over
quickly and that's a kindness.  The electric chair is more along the lines
of cruelty and even short torture.

A sore arm is cruel?  Really?

I am mostly opposed to any of them, but if it had to be done, then a
chamber of pure nitrogen is the kindest of all.  bill w

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 5:23 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 at 09:00, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> Jail is bad enough, I think the Supreme Court needs to decide that
>> solitary confinement is cruel and unusual punishment.  Psychologically it
>> just a terrible thing to do to a person.  bill w
>>
>
> Killing them is also cruel, if not unusual. More cruel than solitary
> confinement or a botched execution attempt causing a sore arm where the
> injection leaked out.
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 1:29 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 1:37 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>> The only problem I have with the 'tough on crime' attitude is that
>>>> draconian measures are often used, such as the three and out.
>>>>
>>>> Three felonies of any kind means life in prison.  Some third crimes are
>>>> ridiculous in nature but judges hands are tied in most places.  Drug crimes
>>>> are the worst.  Small amounts of something put people away for life and
>>>> that's just wrong.  Crimes against people, and to a much lesser extent,
>>>> property, should be the focus - not victimless crimes.  (please don't tell
>>>> me that there aren't such - I am aware of the argument)
>>>>
>>>> This also costs billions of dollars to taxpayers, millions of whom are
>>>> committing the little crimes that are putting people in jail for life.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what is happening in Colorado?  Now that pot is legal,
>>>> what about the people in jail for simply possessing it?  Should they be set
>>>> free?
>>>>
>>>> Tough on crime can mean swatting flies with hammers.  bill w
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 12:16 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *…*> *On Behalf Of *William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] enough time has passed...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >…Tribal fear conditioning:  just what did you have in mind here?  It
>>>>> is my belief that xenophobia is innate.  Perhaps only the directions of the
>>>>> fears are determined by social conditioning.  Is that what you meant?  bill
>>>>> w
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Billw, ja you and I agree on this.  You are right.  It is clear to me
>>>>> that xenophobia is innate, but can be suppressed and controlled, just as we
>>>>> can learn to control negative emotions such as anger and fear.  Xenophobia
>>>>> is a negative emotion that societal evolution has placed in human kind (and
>>>>> every other kind for that matter.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Over time, our lives have become safer (by a lot.)  The notion of
>>>>> treating everyone as equals has a chance to grow into reality if we can
>>>>> maintain a safe society, where fear is low and trust is high.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A society which is soft on crime results in more crime, which results
>>>>> in more fear and distrust, which results in reduced acceptance of those
>>>>> less similar which results in crackdowns on crime.  This notion is in
>>>>> harmony with Pinker, Dawkins, Geoffrey Miller and to a large extent even
>>>>> Nicholas Christakis.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Billw, I have very little cognitive dissonance on the topic of human
>>>>> nature.  It is clear enough to me how we got to be the way we are, and
>>>>> where we are going from here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> spike
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> Yeah tough on crime isn't something I like in its current incarnation.
>>> I think jail is torture and that the government shouldn't be allowed to
>>> execute people.
>>>
>>> Mostly need to focus on education and reducing poverty. For crimes focus
>>> on rehabilitation not retribution.  Bloodthirst solves nothing.
>>>
>>> Perhaps no jail, replace with some kind of financial outcast system.
>>> But castes have their own issues
>>>
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