[ExI] Fwd: New article: EM Field Theory of Consciousness

Brent Allsop brent.allsop at gmail.com
Sun Jun 19 18:35:36 UTC 2022

Hi Adrian,

To me, when you say: "And yet, people who are not you claim to have
experienced such total communication." it seems to be demonstrating that
you don't yet understand what people are talking about when they use the
term "ineffable".

For example, take a new colorness quality you have never experienced
before.  Perhaps one of the many more colors a Mantis Shrimp
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantis_shrimp> can experience.  Let's call
it Grue.  We  can objectively observe and abstractly describe everything
about whatever it is, in the shrimp's brain, which has that colorness
quality.  But until you take whatever that is, and computationally bind it
into your consciousness, so you can directly apprehend what it is like, so
you can finally say: "oh THAT is what grue is like'', you can't know what
grueness is like.

You seem to be claiming you can know what grue is like, without
experiencing it yourself?  And you think others would agree that you can?

You can't communicate or define what any colorness quality is like, using
only text.  If you can, as you claim, tell me how.  If you can, I will jump
camps. But I bet you can't.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 9:20 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 1:51 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> One of these days, I'll figure out how to describe this simple concept,
>> and everyone will finally get it.  Clearly, I haven't succeeded in
>> describing this to anyone here, yet.
> Is it not possible that at least some people here understand exactly what
> you are talking about and, based on the evidence, disagree?
> For instance, you posit that things like "redness" can never be fully
> described in text, such that person B would understand the quality that
> person A describes.  You assert that there must always be some part of the
> experience of seeing red that can not ever be communicated from one person
> to another and understood.
> And yet, people who are not you claim to have experienced such total
> communication.  (You assume your position, so in any test involving you,
> you can just state your claim and no one has evidence to the contrary.  The
> test is of unbiased third parties.)
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