[ExI] genetics

[William Flynn Wallace]

Speaking of wolves, I was startled to find out just how big they were:

https://www.google.com/search?q=actual+size+of+wolves&rlz=1CAPOUW_enUS946&sxsrf=APq-WBtxWqJ6YGu9Y-Sjcq3252iQ5KscoA:1646255685292&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&vet=1&fir=5jVcXkrWH0Lu_M%252CdXxUr8-dxW0qIM%252C_%253BxC01uEvESMzznM%252CdXxUr8-dxW0qIM%252C_%253B_7AfEkEB-aJZAM%252C_ZCRI2RKgv-LBM%252C_%253B9p_r-kuqtMrjBM%252C_MD10V_rkmrFkM%252C_%253BVwSs-VJCTNjkZM%252C9-jGJYfvMLCHkM%252C_%253BIK85hO1zsnZHLM%252CdXxUr8-dxW0qIM%252C_%253BWK_DcHkklnZ1jM%252C_MD10V_rkmrFkM%252C_%253BuTuTrrdB8MtsHM%252CXTvaLrOQbSJYpM%252C_%253BmJd8G2SuLuivyM%252CXDdYB0tg1WybPM%252C_%253BgxJv48ojHOE7MM%252CwVWFyWJHKgEN2M%252C_%253Bj2ZBRfpbbP1ZhM%252CXTvaLrOQbSJYpM%252C_%253BxKrFtWH6ukbboM%252CnqqhzpO-ww1u1M%252C_%253BH8h0bHu475D-jM%252CWV_5JwmibRnFwM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kQnzvPGYQ0C37wxBRbqYt_xCl5-oQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj369KqrKj2AhUwlmoFHf0WDCEQ9QF6BAhaEAE&biw=1247&bih=608&dpr=1.54#imgrc=gxJv48ojHOE7MM

On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 2:44 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> *From:* William Flynn Wallace <foozler83 at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] genetics
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> from Wikipedia - Very few species have passed the MSR test. Species that
> have include the great apes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape>, a
> single Asiatic elephant <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiatic_elephant>,
> Rays <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_(fish)>, dolphins
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin>, orcas
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orca>, the Eurasian magpie
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_magpie>, and the cleaner wrasse
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaner_wrasse>. A wide range of species
> has been reported to fail the test, including several species of monkeys
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey>, giant pandas
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_panda>, and sea lions
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_lion>.[3]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#cite_note-3>[4
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test#cite_note-4>
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> >…Spike, I don't know the criterion for passing the mirror test.
> Certainly the puppy understands something, but also certainly does not have
> the brains of the animals above.    bill w
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> Ja I am puzzled by it.  We look at beasts by species rather than by other
> criteria, such as breed and individual generally.  With dogs we have messed
> with nature so much, they bear very little resemblance to the wolves from
> which they descend.
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> I have seen other dogs with mirrors, where they don’t seem to notice their
> reflection or don’t care.  But it isn’t entirely clear that they are
> failing to do the image processing, or if they know that is their
> reflection and go on with life.
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> I have seen both dogs and cats watch TV or computer screens, definitely
> doing image processing.  I have seen dogs on zoom meetings recognize
> themselves.  I don’t recall seeing a cat do that, but perhaps they do, or
> some do.
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> I have seen birds attack their own reflection for extended periods, never
> quite getting it.  In Florida we had sand hill cranes, which can be five
> feet tall, come up to the house and peck away at the windows.  They never
> actually broke one, but they make a hell of a racket doing that.  I had
> half a mind to go out there and teach them to not do that, delivering that
> short lecture along with my assistant professor, Mister Twelve Gage.
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