[ExI] 27 psychedelics??

Sat Mar 26 04:39:46 UTC 2022

Jumping in with a song and a story, and a few cents.

Either before or after I was 16, I went to a talk at Wharton school
basement, that brought the doctors using LSD for alcoholic addiction
treatment.

I wonder if anybody has read their research?

 I only met the guys back when I was a teenager and I remember a lot of
what they said I never read their work.

 They're the guys who labeled all of the sections of taking psychedelics.
Sometimes labeling becomes a projection.

I'm a little old lady at the end of my life and I would love to be part of
a a small amount of psychedelics and I love the recipes that are included
in this thread but I myself am unable to cook them up.

I need to have a sugar daddy for that. I was told that the armed forces
hospital in Vallejo, CA. are using psychedelics for mental health. Two
years ago, before the pandemic, there was a call for applications who
wanted to be part of that psychedelic group.

I am not an academic, please forgive my general communication and stream of
talking rather than well constructed sentences. I would love to have a
group trip thing, go out and fly together.

Smile, ilsa bartlett

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 8:13 PM Henry Rivera via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Sorry to jump in late here. But I’ve got 2 cents to throw in.
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> I am a scientifically trained psychotherapist who is also a subject matter
> expert in psychedelics (among other things). I am aware of colleagues that
> use them underground in therapy. They are a small minority. Very few
> therapists are rogue like that in the US. The industry of legal psychedelic
> therapy, as in ayahuasca and synthetic psilocybin, that is developing is a
> whole other animal I’m not addressing here. I’m talking about lsd, mdma,
> and psilocybin in individual psychotherapy sessions with the therapist as a
> guide and doing processing often of trauma. This is illegal but done in the
> US, driven by word of mouth and promoted by the people helped this way.
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> I am also aware of some very smart people who use psychedelics. They are
> lawyers, financial people, academics, IT people. They do write textbooks,
> software, policy, and influence culture at large in multiple ways.
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> The Apple computer’s development was heavily influenced by psychedelics
> based on what I’ve read.
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> I know nothing about the research literature in psych re psychedelics.
> Probably not a lot of it because of legalities.  But surely someone has
> tested people who were tripping with some standard tests and such, and
> could verify your assertion about thinking faster.
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> I’m well versed in these areas. In the 1950s and 60s there was widespread
> academic research within Psychology Departments with psychedelics at many
> prestigious schools and all the Ivy Leagues. Creativity, treating
> addiction, accelerated learning, preventing criminal recidivism, “mind
> control,” and more were studied. CIA-sponsored research in particular was
> unethical at times and didn’t always obtain informed consent from
> participants (often naive undergrads). That was the dark side. But this
> period was a good run with rich scientific data obtained, articles and
> books written. And then a cultural revolution followed when the drugs left
> the labs and retreats and made their way to parties and the music scene.
> Kids dropped out of college, rejected social mores, started burning their
> draft cards. The Establishment backlash was severe especially in the
> context of the Vietnam conflict where psychedelics, hippies, and the anti
> war movement became intertwined as far they were concerned. The War on
> Drugs, mandatory minimums, new ways for racists to oppress resulted. We are
> only now climbing out of that mess and the damage done (astronomical
> amounts money thrown at the “problem,” broken families, black market
> violence, militarization of the police, corrupting of the police by
> forfeiture incentives, suppression and distortion of the knowledge gained
> from psychedelics, a dulling or slowing down the pace of our collective
> intelligence increase I’d argue, etc.).
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> Elon Musk is open about his psychedelic use, or people have told on him, I
> forget which. But I’d suggest it’s not a coincidence he has come up with so
> many novel ideas, connections, ways about thinking about things
> differently. I’d argue we are collectively better off as a result and could
> benefit from more smart people intelligently using psychedelics and more
> people making themselves smart by using psychedelics. That is not what is
> being promoted however in this burgeoning wave of new legal psychedelic
> entrepreneurialism happening. See
> https://www.psymposia.com/corporadelic/ for more on that topic. There are
> some nefarious actors out there motivated by greed and/or power trying to
> exploit psychedelics going mainstream. Meanwhile reputable folks like
> https://maps.org/ continue the scientific mission to improve mental
> health treatment at least with these powerful tools.
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> Some people should stay away from psychedelics too. They are not for
> everyone. They can trigger psychotic episodes in those predisposed to
> severe mental illness and crush the reality, shattered the worldview of
> many content people who would rather not think for themselves or see the
> world differently. They can cause significant dissonance and psychological
> discomfort for the I’ll-prepared or unguided. To treat them as playthings
> is a mistake. They are sacred tools that can and always have lead to
> visionary, mystical experiences that are core to our identity and purpose,
> to understate them. We also evolved along side them which I don’t think is
> a coincidence. Terrence McKenna argued our primate ancestors taking
> psychedelic mushrooms triggered an evolutionary divergence, this
> branch-off, to what we are now from more primitive primates.
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> -Henry
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> Of *Will Steinberg via extropy-chat
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> Could be early perceptions are influencing my attitude.  When I was a
> child, rock stars seemed to be dropping dead regularly.  Judy Garland (ja I
> know she wasn’t a rock star, but liked her voice),  Alan Wilson, Jimi
> Hendrix and Janis Joplin were all in the same few weeks as I recall, Jim
> Morrison was a little later, Mama Cass they half-ass tried to tell us she
> choked on a ham sandwich, but we suspect it was dope or perhaps heart
> failure.  It did seem like drugs were taking a lotta stars, and ja I
> realize acid ODs are not fatal usually but in any case, I do admire your
> openness and honesty about the risks, going crazy and vast nightmare
> realms.  That last part has a poetic ring to it, but I would rather read
> about it in a poem than live it.
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> Besides that… it suffices me to hear your description of it, as I play
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> Regarding that last part, it would be an interesting experiment, for that
> would give us a ton of data.  Reasoning: the win/loss number is only a tiny
> fraction of the data available.  The computer analyzes the games and can
> tell us accuracy, time per move, how many blunders, how many brilliant
> ideas and so forth, so we could get about 30 good data points per 10 minute
> game.  We could collect a pile of evidence easily.  As I said, I will go
> nowhere near the stuff, any of it.  But I will interpret data if someone
> else wants to give it a go.
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