[ExI] Is Artificial Life Conscious?

[Stathis Papaioannou]

On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 08:30, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
> Hi Stathis,
> I think we are in agreement with that.  There may be different things, or
> variants of things, that all have a redness quality.
>

So you agree it isn't substrate specific.


> But, there must be something physically different than that, which has the
> greenness quality, and you can't get redness, from the stuff that has a
> greenness quality, unless you have a dictionary that says greenness is
> representing red.
>

The same thing in the same configuration will give the same qualia, a
different thing in a different configuration may give the same or different
qualia.


> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 7:17 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 10:32, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There are lots of competing theories making predictions about what
>>> qualia are.
>>> It will be an answers to the question: Which of all our descriptions of
>>> stuff in the brain is a description of redness.
>>> My assumption is there is some necessary and sufficient set of
>>> observable physical behavior or chemical reactions which are the
>>> descriptions of redness.
>>> So to say anything that is not the qualia, is anything outside of this
>>> necessary and sufficient set of physics.
>>> So, by definition, if anything varies from the necessary and sufficient
>>> set, it would no longer be redness.
>>> I like to think of it as being similar to when you burn certain metals,
>>> it emits  different colored light.
>>> Obviously, if you change or remove the metal, the color changes.  And
>>> nothing but those metals will produce the same chemical reaction that emits
>>> that particular color.
>>> It isn't the light, which many things could produce the same light, it
>>> is possible that only the particular chemical reaction that can be
>>> computationally bound, such that if it changes, the redness will change in
>>> a way that the entire system must be aware of that change from redness.
>>>
>>
>> It's possible that for technical reasons nothing can be found that will
>> affect the rest of the system in the same way as glutamate does. However,
>> saying this is avoiding the question. There is no logical reason why a
>> substitute either for glutamate or one of the thousands of other components
>> in the brain could not be found. As an example that would probably work,
>> substitute some of the atoms in a molecule with different isotopes. This is
>> a quite common technique to track molecules in biomedical research. You can
>> order some online if you want:
>> https://www.moravek.com/what-exactly-is-radiolabeling/
>> So radiolabeled glutamate will behave the same as regular glutamate, but
>> it is a different substrate. What do you think would happen to the qualia
>> if radiolabeled glutamate replaced regular glutamate?
>>
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>> Stathis Papaioannou
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