[ExI] Is Artificial Life Conscious?

[Brent Allsop]

Yes, I agree with that.  Just like there are a bunch of different things
that have a redness color, and a bunch of different things from any of
those which have a gereness color.
The sets will be completely disjoint, and nothing but the redness set will
have a redness quality.  A greeness property, or any other physical
property will be able to represent 'red' knowledge, but only if you have a
dictionary to allow such substrate independence.  That is how perception
and communication across any substrate works - it requires transducing
dictionaries to achieve the substrate independence.  Redness is just a
physical fact, and your redness is your definition of 'red'.

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 6:35 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 08:30, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> Hi Stathis,
>> I think we are in agreement with that.  There may be different things, or
>> variants of things, that all have a redness quality.
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> So you agree it isn't substrate specific.
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>> But, there must be something physically different than that, which has
>> the greenness quality, and you can't get redness, from the stuff that has a
>> greenness quality, unless you have a dictionary that says greenness is
>> representing red.
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> The same thing in the same configuration will give the same qualia, a
> different thing in a different configuration may give the same or different
> qualia.
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>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 7:17 PM Stathis Papaioannou via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 10:32, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> There are lots of competing theories making predictions about what
>>>> qualia are.
>>>> It will be an answers to the question: Which of all our descriptions of
>>>> stuff in the brain is a description of redness.
>>>> My assumption is there is some necessary and sufficient set of
>>>> observable physical behavior or chemical reactions which are the
>>>> descriptions of redness.
>>>> So to say anything that is not the qualia, is anything outside of this
>>>> necessary and sufficient set of physics.
>>>> So, by definition, if anything varies from the necessary and sufficient
>>>> set, it would no longer be redness.
>>>> I like to think of it as being similar to when you burn certain metals,
>>>> it emits  different colored light.
>>>> Obviously, if you change or remove the metal, the color changes.  And
>>>> nothing but those metals will produce the same chemical reaction that emits
>>>> that particular color.
>>>> It isn't the light, which many things could produce the same light, it
>>>> is possible that only the particular chemical reaction that can be
>>>> computationally bound, such that if it changes, the redness will change in
>>>> a way that the entire system must be aware of that change from redness.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's possible that for technical reasons nothing can be found that will
>>> affect the rest of the system in the same way as glutamate does. However,
>>> saying this is avoiding the question. There is no logical reason why a
>>> substitute either for glutamate or one of the thousands of other components
>>> in the brain could not be found. As an example that would probably work,
>>> substitute some of the atoms in a molecule with different isotopes. This is
>>> a quite common technique to track molecules in biomedical research. You can
>>> order some online if you want:
>>> https://www.moravek.com/what-exactly-is-radiolabeling/
>>> So radiolabeled glutamate will behave the same as regular glutamate, but
>>> it is a different substrate. What do you think would happen to the qualia
>>> if radiolabeled glutamate replaced regular glutamate?
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