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https://news.gallup.com/poll/261680/americans-believe-creationism.aspx
According to the poll 40% of Americans believe in creationism. Ideologies tend to stick, especially powerful ones such as religion. That an idea as absurd as creationism has that much support reveals a lot regarding human susceptibility.

> On Nov 8, 2022, at 12:51 PM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> My strong sense of rationality eventually detected the cognitive dissonance, but for most it never happens and the ideology sticks for life.
> Gadrsd
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> I certainly would like to see data on that.  Opinions persisting for life, I would reckon, would only describe those whose score on the Openness element of the Big Five was in the very closed section of the curve.  No way an Open person will believe childhood opinions without change, often great change.  bill w
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> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 11:37 AM Gadersd via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>> wrote:
> I was raised in a fundamentalist Christian household. The indoctrination techniques definitely worked on me and I am generally a very rational person. When I was young I couldn’t; explain why evolution and other scientific theories were wrong, I just knew they were because the source of truth (Bible) implied those theories were wrong. I didn’t even notice the contradictions in that worldview until I was in my teens even though I was mathematically minded. It is exceptionally difficult for children raised in a particular ideology to see the contradictions within that ideology. My strong sense of rationality eventually detected the cognitive dissonance, but for most it never happens and the ideology sticks for life.
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> I suspect that it is much easier for teenagers and adults to shirk off new ideologies and brainwashing since they already have a worldview in place to default to, which I think explains why the brainwashing didn’t work on the GIs. That’s why you have to get them when they’re young, really young.
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>> On Nov 8, 2022, at 9:50 AM, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>> wrote:
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>> We attained our neurological maturity around age 25.  Before that, just how dumb were we?  Were we very impressionable?  Able to be led around by older and wise others?  Or were we just a little bit of an independent thinker all along?
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>> Here's a phrase from today's paper?  "..she was part of a larger movement of teachers indoctrinating students with liberal ideology..."  Repub Ryan Walter said "There is no place for a teacher with a liberal political agenda in the classroom"  Conservative OK?
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>> (the teacher in Oklahoma has provided students with a link to a library that let them read banned books)  
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>> Now I don't know how much you know about brainwashing and indoctrination.  I don't know much.  But I do  know that extensive studies were done after GIs returned from North Korean prison camps where they had been subjected to brainwashing, some of them for years.
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>> Results:  they found no GI who was brainwashed by any definition.  The techniques simply did not work.  GIs pretended to go along with the program.
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>> Note that the GIs were not neurologically mature.
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>> Just how susceptible are our children to indoctrination?  Me?  I am a born contrarian and skeptic.  But I don't know how I would have been affected by such a program, though I suspect that nobody and nothing could have just wiped out my opinions and replaced them at any age.
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>> So I think this whole thing is sort of a straw man - few if any are attempting indoctrination, and few are fully affected, and most of those kids will develop different opinions before they leave school.
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>> Remember 'Don't trust anyone over 30?'  Teachers are like parents - they get ignored and what the peer group thinks is far more important.  
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>> We received 'sermons' on all kinds of topics from parents and teachers and pastors throughout our youth.  How much stuck?  Of that that stuck, how much of it was thoughtless. believed just because we were told?   bill w
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