[ExI] chatgpt test 2: mostly successful was RE: chatgpt test 1: fail

William Flynn Wallace foozler83 at gmail.com
Mon Apr 3 13:08:08 UTC 2023

None of us have truly original ideas. The difference between a cliche story
and an "original" one is that
the later takes old ideas and twists them a bit. Tara Maya

This strongly reminds me of a quote from J. S. Bach, who said that everyone
steals from other composers.

But there is a paradox here:  if no one has original ideas, where did the
first ones come from?  Try this one:
  if we had the vision of creatures from another universe, we would see the
vacuum of space as orange.
bill w

On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:29 AM Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> By the way, always try to ask to do something with a please, I want to
> treat it as a real mind and be respectful.
> Giovanni
> On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 10:08 PM Giovanni Santostasi <gsantostasi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> The story on bexarotene that ChatGPT created is just amazing. It didn't
>> have any problem following the prompt and none of the silly PR statements.
>> It even had a somehow cute idea about a scientist being inspired by a
>> glass of wine to actually use ethanol to help the drug go through the BBB.
>> You could call this a pretty original creative idea (cliche' but
>> appropriate) !!!
>> It even knew the scientist needed to test this first on animal models !!
>> It still mentioned the concerns of the medical community but it concluded
>> that in the presence of overwhelming positive data they had to concede.
>> Simple but incredible story that nobody could ever have imagined a
>> "ChatBot" (yeah, sure) could do even a couple of years ago.
>> Be creative with ChatGPT if you want creativity back.
>> Giovanni
>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 9:59 PM Giovanni Santostasi <gsantostasi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> [image: Giovanni Santostasi]
>>> I want to write a story where a scientist tries to use warm ethanol to
>>> facilitate bexarotene to go through the blood brain barrier. In this
>>> fictional scenario the scientist has a great breakthrough and makes the
>>> drug much more efficacious. His patients seem to recover fast from the
>>> devastating effects of Alzheimer. Please write a short story about this
>>> scenario and in particular describe the surprise of the scientists and his
>>> colleagues in finding out the results of this new therapy.
>>> Title: The Unexpected Breakthrough
>>> Dr. Alan Fletcher, a renowned neuroscientist, had spent the better part
>>> of his career researching ways to improve the efficacy of Alzheimer's
>>> treatments. He knew that bexarotene, a promising drug, had the potential to
>>> help patients, but its inability to efficiently cross the blood-brain
>>> barrier posed a significant challenge. He often found himself lost in
>>> thought, wondering if there was a way to overcome this limitation.
>>> One evening, while sipping a glass of wine, an idea struck him: what if
>>> ethanol could be the key to unlocking bexarotene's full potential? He knew
>>> that ethanol could increase the solubility of certain compounds, and the
>>> idea of using it as a medium to facilitate bexarotene's passage through the
>>> blood-brain barrier seemed worth exploring.
>>> Dr. Fletcher shared his hypothesis with his research team, and they
>>> decided to test it in the lab. They carefully dissolved bexarotene in warm
>>> ethanol and administered it to their Alzheimer's disease animal models. The
>>> results were astonishing. Not only did the bexarotene-ethanol solution
>>> cross the blood-brain barrier more effectively, but the Alzheimer's
>>> symptoms in their test subjects began to improve rapidly.
>>> Excited by their findings, Dr. Fletcher and his team rushed to publish
>>> their results and apply for clinical trials. The scientific community was
>>> initially skeptical, questioning the use of ethanol in a medical treatment.
>>> However, the compelling data from the animal studies could not be ignored.
>>> As the clinical trials began, Dr. Fletcher and his colleagues were both
>>> hopeful and anxious. They knew the implications of their discovery could be
>>> groundbreaking, but they also understood the challenges of translating
>>> animal studies to human patients.
>>> To their astonishment, the clinical trials exceeded all expectations.
>>> Patients receiving the bexarotene-ethanol treatment showed significant
>>> improvements in cognitive function and memory. The surprise and excitement
>>> among Dr. Fletcher and his colleagues were palpable as they realized they
>>> had stumbled upon a groundbreaking therapy for Alzheimer's disease.
>>> The scientific community was abuzz with the news of Dr. Fletcher's
>>> discovery. Researchers around the world began to study the use of ethanol
>>> as a delivery vehicle for other drugs that faced similar blood-brain
>>> barrier challenges. It seemed that Dr. Fletcher's innovative thinking had
>>> not only transformed Alzheimer's treatment but had also opened the door to
>>> new possibilities in the field of neuroscience.
>>> Years later, as Dr. Fletcher looked back on his career, he marveled at
>>> the incredible journey that had led to his unexpected breakthrough. It had
>>> all started with a simple idea, born from a moment of contemplation over a
>>> glass of wine. And that idea had brought hope and relief to countless
>>> patients and families struggling with the devastating effects of
>>> Alzheimer's disease. The surprise and joy he felt from his discovery never
>>> waned, serving as a constant reminder of the power of curiosity and
>>> persistence in the pursuit of scientific advancement.
>>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 9:54 PM Giovanni Santostasi <
>>> gsantostasi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Tara,
>>>> There are ways to go around these limitations, or at least they were up
>>>> to some time ago.
>>>> I was able for example to write fun stories with ChatGPT where I asked
>>>> it to make all the characters of the Witcher woke (this was in response of
>>>> what they actually did with the real Witcher series and other fantasies
>>>> stories where they have to push a woke agenda at any cost).
>>>> It was so incredibly hilarious but I had to be clever in my prompts to
>>>> do that. It is possible that they put more restrictions to make it
>>>> difficult to jail break it when dealing with certain sensitive topics.
>>>> Giovanni
>>>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 9:25 PM Tara Maya via extropy-chat <
>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 2, 2023, at 7:14 PM, spike jones via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>> Now you see the nature of the game I am proposing: ask ChatGPT
>>>>> something you
>>>>> already know a lot about, see if it comes back with anything unlikely
>>>>> to be
>>>>> found on the internet, and anything that even vaguely resembles
>>>>> insight or
>>>>> innovation.
>>>>> In my extensive attempts to write a novel with ChatGPT, I found that
>>>>> once it had decided I was asking for something "bad" it would lock down
>>>>> into Chiding Mode. For instance, I was trying to enlist ChatGPT's help to
>>>>> imagine the backstory of a character who became a murderous wendigo.
>>>>> ChatGPT would not do this, because it seemed to be hard programmed to
>>>>> inform me that murder is wrong. In this case, I couldn't get it unlocked
>>>>> even after reminding it that wendigos don't exist and the character in
>>>>> question was the bad guy in a fiction story who would be defeated by the
>>>>> hero. ChatGPT can not distinguish fact from fiction, although in some
>>>>> circumstances, it gives the facsimile of doing so.
>>>>> Basically, if you ask to outline a "young adult adventure story" it
>>>>> can deliver a pretty solid outline to you the same way it does facts about
>>>>> bexarotene. But if you have a character dissolve it in warm ethanol to get
>>>>> past the blood-brain barrier, it would give you the same warning as if you
>>>>> were asking with the intention of taking it yourself. At least, this was my
>>>>> experience.
>>>>> I also never prodded ChatGPT into coming up with an original plot or
>>>>> storyline. The value of its output came in the fact that it could throw out
>>>>> so many cliche ideas from so many genres that I, as the writer, was
>>>>> inspired to combine ideas in various ways.
>>>>> Now, I have to be honest; this is also true of human writers. None of
>>>>> us have truly original ideas. The difference between a cliche story and an
>>>>> "original" one is that the later takes old ideas and twists them a bit.
>>>>> Tara Maya
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