# [ExI] GPT-4 on its inability to solve the symbol grounding problem

Giovanni Santostasi gsantostasi at gmail.com
Thu Apr 6 15:59:46 UTC 2023

```Stage 1: Letter A is waiting for or holding letter B (the child). Stage 2:
Letter B grows up and moves away from letter A, becoming an adult. Stage 3:
Letter B is now waiting for or holding letter C (its own child). Stage 4:
Letter C moves into letter A, suggesting a return to or reconnection with
the original parent or heritage.

The last stage represents a cycle of life and the bond between generations,
as the new child (C) returns to or connects with the original parent (A).
What is amazing here is that it came up with the idea birthing by putting
the child B inside the group of letter representing being A. B is small so
it is just one letter. Then it understood that B will separate and grow and
move away from A and become as large as A eventually, representing
adulthood. The letter B grows inside her letter C. I was confused about the
last stage (I asked to let me guess first without giving me an
explanation), and it explained to me the last stage represented the cycle
of life with C going "back" to A. GPT-4:

In the context of this 2D graphical language, the return of letter C to
letter A in the final stage of the story is a symbolic representation of
the connection between generations. The story shows how, even after the
passage of time and the birth of a new generation, the bond between the
original parent and the new child is maintained or reestablished.

This return or connection can be interpreted in various ways, such as:

1. Letter C returning to the values, traditions, or beliefs of letter A.
2. Letter C reconnecting with letter A to seek advice, wisdom, or
support.
3. Letter C forming a relationship with letter A as a way to honor and
respect its origins.

In the 2D graphical language, this idea is conveyed by placing letter C
inside letter A, emphasizing their close connection. This visual
representation is a symbolic way to express the reestablishment of the bond
between the original parent and the new child.

There is no doubt this is real understanding and actually deep meaning
about life, human connections and so on. The idea of going back and forth
between different media completely disintegrates the possibility that is
just some mindless autocomplete.

On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 6:41 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> *From:* extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> *On Behalf
> Of *Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] GPT-4 on its inability to solve the symbol grounding
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> >…This is beyond incredible. Guess what graphical language story without
> referent is about,,,if we don't have AGI we are so incredibly close.
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> Geovanni, most of the people who live in the Bay Area of California knew
> immediately what that was.  Simple.  We have an advantage however, for
> housing costs around here are absurd.  It isn’t clear to me if that counts
> as without referents.
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> Literature people like to kinda talk around things, make a story which is
> about one thing but at another level is about something else really, in a
> kind of symbolic way, such as Orwell’s Animal Farm is really about human
> governmental systems rather than a bunch of… talking meat.  OK then, given
> that, what this story is obviously about:
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> A bunch of people (A) share a home, for economic reasons (we see that all
> over the place around here.)  There is a fertile couple among them, and
> they produce an offspring (B), who lives with the group but eventually
> moves out on their own.  They has a group of their own friends immediately
> move in (represented by the other Bs.)  They is fertile and finds a
> suitable mate among the Bs, who then produce an offspring (C) who grows up
> with values that really more closely aligned with the mores and ethical
> structure of their grandletters and so… C decides to move back to live with
> the A crowd (it’s also a nicer home (and are less economically strained (as
> well as easier to get along with.)))
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> Of course I get an advantage here because I see that all the time around
> here.  One of my son’s best friends is a C who moved back with their A and
> step A along with their other A people.  The numbers are about right as
> well: plenty of local tract shacks are shelter for about 8 people, 9 if one
> is young.
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